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00:10 eli: jonrafkind: git archive --remote=git:plt --format tgz master | tar xz
00:10 jonrafkind: oh lol
00:11 jonrafkind: i looked at the git archive man page but I never would have figured that out
00:11 eli: Weel, I see: --remote=<repo>
00:11 eli: Instead of making a tar archive from the local repository, retrieve a tar archive from a remote repository.
00:12 eli: Which is pretty straightforward.
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00:12 jonrafkind: hindsight is 20/20
00:13 jonrafkind: $ git archive --remote=git://github.com/plt/racket --format tgz master  | tar xz
00:13 jonrafkind: fatal: remote error:
00:13 jonrafkind: Your Git client has made an invalid request:
00:13 jonrafkind: 0033git-upload-archive /plt/racket
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00:18 jonrafkind: actually github says to use their download button
00:18 jonrafkind: which works with wget
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00:19 eli: jonrafkind: I think that they don't support archives.
00:19 eli: Why not use our server
00:19 eli: ?
00:19 jonrafkind: because that requires an ssh key which the automated build machinie doesnt have
00:20 eli: Use git://git.racket-lang.org/plt
00:20 eli: (Or use the github tar download thing, but I don't know how reliable it is.)
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00:21 jonrafkind: well i cant even find the github download button..
00:21 jonrafkind: stupid ui
00:21 jonrafkind: ok git archive on the racket-lang server worked
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00:22 jonrafkind: oh found it
00:23 jonrafkind: well its ok, except it creates a 'racket-$branch' directory which is kind of annoying
00:24 eli: jonrafkind: wget --no-check-certificate https://github.com/plt/racket/tarball/master -O - | tar xz
00:25 eli: And yes, I saw that
00:25 jonrafkind: https://github.com/plt/racket/archive/master.zip
00:26 eli: Probably the same, but tarballs are more convenient
00:28 jonrafkind: well this is a somewhat inconsequential optimization anyway
00:34 eli: jonrafkind: I didn't say that it's optimized, just more convenient.
00:34 jonrafkind: well since it requires me to change some code its less convenient..
00:34 eli: What does?
00:35 jonrafkind: making the script use 'git archive'
00:36 eli: So use the github thing if that's more convenient.
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05:50 nyuszika7h: hi, can someone tell me why this code is not working?
05:51 nyuszika7h: -> (define something-rkt (open-output-file "something.rkt"))
05:51 nyuszika7h: -> (display (read (get-pure-port (string->url "http://example.com/somewhere/something.rkt"))) something-rkt)
05:51 nyuszika7h: ; UNKNOWN::0: read: #lang not enabled in the current context [,bt for context]
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06:12 smartviking: Hi. In the documentation I'm often greeted with things like this: "Next we define a blog to be simply a list of posts: `blog : (listof post?)`". What does it mean? Is that actual language constructs or just ways to structure the documentation?
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06:15 noelw: Just structuring the program (unless they're using Typed Racket)
06:16 noelw: It's not an actual language construct
06:16 smartviking: Ah ok, thanks
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09:07 RacketCommitBot: racket/master a1437e7 Eli Barzilay: Two doc typos....
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11:12 stamourv: eli: pong
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11:20 stamourv: nyuszika7h: You probably don't want to use `read' there.
11:21 nyuszika7h: stamourv: what should I use instead?
11:21 stamourv: You can use `port->lines' or something like it.
11:21 nyuszika7h: ah
11:21 stamourv: The idea is that `read' reads things as data, but here, you seem to be interested in the text of the file, not the data.
11:22 stamourv: Actually, `port->string', if it exists, may do what you want.
11:22 stamourv: That would slurp the entire file as a single string. If you want to only load the file a bit at a time, you can do something like:
11:23 stamourv: (for ([l (in-port your-port)]) (displayln l your-output-file))
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11:28 nyuszika7h: stamourv: port->string worked, thanks
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13:22 FrenchStudent: Hello, can i ask questions about racket in this chan? I'm having a problem trying to use ~a...
13:23 jonrafkind: ya ask
13:24 FrenchStudent: my racket doesn't find ~a so i try > (require racket/format) open-input-file: cannot open input file: "C:\Program Files\Racket\collects\racket\format.rkt" (The system cannot find the file specified.; errno=2)
13:25 FrenchStudent: my install is about a year old would that be the issue? i have a friend who doesn't have a much more recent install and seems to be able to use ~a without a require
13:25 jonrafkind: do you have that file?
13:26 FrenchStudent: there are format.rkt at other places, but not in the right one
13:26 FrenchStudent: i tried finding one on the web but probably wasn't the right one because (require racket/format) load-handler: expected a `module' declaration for `format' in #<path:C:\Program Files\Racket\collects\racket\format.rkt>, but found something else
13:27 jonrafkind: maybe install a newer version of racket?
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13:29 FrenchStudent: ok thx ^^  maybe you can help me find a better way then using ~a, i have expressions like '(cos (tan 3)) and would like to obtain a string from it, what would best?
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13:32 jonrafkind: i havent used the ~a identifier yet, i usually just do (format "~a" (cos (tan 3))
13:33 jonrafkind: i dont really see the benefit of using (~a (cos (tan 3))
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13:36 stamourv: FrenchStudent: You can use `format', which should be in your version of Racket.
13:36 stamourv: rudybot: (format "~a" (cos (tan 3)))
13:36 rudybot: stamourv: your sandbox is ready
13:36 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: "0.9898574333295203"
13:36 stamourv: FrenchStudent: That should be equivalent to using `~a'.
13:37 stamourv: But I do recommend that you install a newer Racket. There's a lot of cool new goodies. :)
13:37 FrenchStudent: ok thank you very much that seems to do the trick
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13:49 FrenchStudent: Do you have a way to go from a string to an expression? I get that it can work only if the string is correct. For example a function that takes "(cos (tan 3))" and gives me '(cos (tan 3))
13:50 stamourv: rudybot: doc read
13:50 rudybot: stamourv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/Reading.html#(def._((quote._~23~25kernel)._read))
13:50 stamourv: FrenchStudent: ^
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13:58 FrenchStudent: thx for the doc but unfortunatly i don't understand half of it so i'm not sure how to use this read, how do i get it to take a string as a parameter?
13:58 FrenchStudent: I would have like to do (read "(cos (tan 3))") and obtain '(cos (tan 3))
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14:03 stamourv: rudybot: (read (open-input-string "(cos (tan 3))"))
14:03 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: (cos (tan 3))
14:03 stamourv: rudybot (with-input-from-string "(cos (tan 3))" read)
14:03 stamourv: rudybot: (with-input-from-string "(cos (tan 3))" read)
14:03 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: (cos (tan 3))
14:06 FrenchStudent: Thanks a lot, that really helped me a lot.
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14:06 FrenchStudent: Got to go, thanks all and bye bye.
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14:11 eli: stamourv: Committed away your test for define-inline which was a bad dependency.
14:12 stamourv: Ok. What was the problem?
14:12 eli: You made a racket -> rackunit dependency.
14:12 stamourv: Oh, I see.
14:12 stamourv: So you moved the test?
14:13 eli: Yes
14:13 stamourv: Great, thanks!
14:13 stamourv: Re splitf-at: I don't like the combination of f and -at.
14:13 stamourv: In my mind, -at really means "takes an index".
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15:57 soegaard: When did the Racket project begin? The text of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racket_(programming_language) suggests jan 1995, but the sidebar says 1994.
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16:08 DanBurton: jan 95 is pretty close to 94. Sounds rather subjective to me.
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16:10 stamourv: (add1 DanBurton)
16:10 stamourv: Also, the idea for the project may have been late 1994, but work may have only started jan 1995.
16:11 stamourv: I remember Matthias telling the story of the genesis of Racket (well, PLT Scheme) once, it's a pretty interesting story.
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16:56 ianjneu: Scribble question: how do I make my standalone document point to docs.racket-lang.org for resolving cross-referencing?
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17:00 soegaard: DanBurton, stamourv: What caught my eye was the phrase "appeared in 1994" in the sidebar. That suggests that the first release was in 94.
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17:12 cnonim: hi al
17:12 cnonim: *all
17:13 cnonim: i can return from function #f or (values ...) and how i can bind them in let?
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17:13 stamourv: rudybot: doc let-values
17:13 rudybot: stamourv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/let.html#(form._((quote._~23~25kernel)._let-values))
17:14 stamourv: cnonim: Keep in mind, though, that a function should always return the same number of values.
17:14 cnonim: if function return #f or (values ...)?
17:14 soegaard: ianjneu: Excellent question
17:14 stamourv: If that's not the case, you should return a list of results, or a vector, or a struct, etc.
17:15 cnonim: thx
17:15 ianjneu: soegaard: oh, so you have a slide with an answer?
17:15 soegaard: nope, I am curious too
17:15 ianjneu: ah, so it's a good question.
17:16 soegaard: yes
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17:16 ianjneu: if only someone thought it were a great question, we might get an answer.
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17:20 ianjneu: eli: might you know how to get xreferencing in scribble go to the racket website for racket idents?
17:22 eli: ianjneu: No, most of the documentation code is Matthew's
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18:07 rich1: any recommended libraries/modules for dealing with graphs (nodes + edges) in racket?
18:10 rich1: oh i managed to write my 1st useful racket program today in a couple of lines - i needed to combine 2 pieces of text - mapping line 1 from both pieces, then line 2, ...
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18:10 rich1: basically just for/list with 2 clauses
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18:28 ozzloy: rich1, congrats!
18:29 rich1: ozzloy: thanks! i was quite chuffed - as i was doing it by hand initially across 2 monitors, then realised i could do it in racket
18:29 ozzloy: nice
18:31 ozzloy: rich1, how did you come across racket?
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18:33 rich1: i found guile first but that doesn't have a native windows download, where as racket has racket and DrRacket - which is great
18:36 rich1: so all (not very much ;)) of my lisp knowledge is with racket - but i like it and have grown to like the [] () distinction to signify what's an application and what is grouping similar elements
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18:37 rich1: well not really similar, but related
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18:53 greghendershott: ianjneu: Have you tried scribble with flags like ++xref-in setup/xref load-collections-xref --redirect-main "http://pre.plt-scheme.org/docs/html/" ?
18:56 greghendershott: Sorry I mean ++xref-in setup/xref load-collections-xref --redirect-main "http://docs.racket-lang.org/"
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19:54 RacketCommitBot: racket/master d652d69 Robby Findler: adjust 2d reader so the keyword has its own source location...
19:54 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 635efe7 Robby Findler: added a keybinding to center a line within its cell in a table
19:54 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 443f998 Robby Findler: improve the way the font size callbacks work, wrt to interactivity
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19:59 casion: I just started using racket with emacs and geiser, however every #lang usage ends up with the response "read: #lang not enabled in the current context". What is happening and how can I remedy it
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20:01 didi: casion: What are you doing?
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20:01 casion: typing #lang anything in the repl provided
20:01 didi: Ah.
20:02 didi: No, you shouldn't do that.
20:02 didi: casion: Visit a file, write `#lang racket', save it and press C-c C-a
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20:04 casion: well that works
20:05 didi: casion: happy hacking.
20:05 casion: thank you for the assistance
20:08 casion: ah, I see why that doesn't work now
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20:56 asumu: casion: if you want to start a REPL in some language, you can often do 'racket -I language'
20:56 asumu: (this does not necessarily work for everything that has a #lang)
20:57 casion: thank you for that info
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21:31 RandomGuy: Hi!
21:32 RandomGuy: I intend to go through SICP soon.
21:32 RandomGuy: Is Racket suitable for this purpose_
21:32 RandomGuy: ?
21:34 paddymahoney: there is a sicp language built on racket, I think Neil Van Dyke had a hand? Let me google.
21:36 paddymahoney: RandomGuy: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/
21:36 paddymahoney: check out the notice-you could help in improving this #lang :)
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21:43 dyoo: RandomGuy: DrRacket should be pretty good for doing SICP problems; neil van dyke's package is definitely worth looking at
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