00:00 eli: So I think that they should be flipped.
00:00 offby1: eli: do you suppose using "match" to do some simple XML processing -- the sort of thing xpath was intended for -- is reasonable?
00:00 offby1: assuming I'm starting with SXML, that is.
00:00 eli: offby1: I do it a lot, using our xexprs, which is probably similar
00:00 offby1: there ya go; thanks.
00:01 offby1: (I'd use xpath except I cannot decipher the sxpath docs :-)
00:01 eli: offby1: There's a `list-no-order' thing which is useful for attributes.
00:01 eli: Also, I mix it with some recursive scanning usually, which is where I'd expect xpath to be more useful.
00:01 asumu: eli: Yeah, much prefer `splitf-at`. Argument order as in take the list first like findf, memf, etc.?
00:02 eli: asumu: Yes.
00:02 asumu: Err, findf takes the proc first
00:02 asumu: And memf it turns out.
00:02 eli: Yes, unfortunately.
00:02 eli: I dislike this order.
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00:03 asumu: All of the foof functions so far seem to use this order though.
00:03 eli: But it's important to allow people to replace `foo' by `foof' and the index by a predicate.
00:03 eli: If it were up to me, I'd swap the arguments to `take' etc a *long* time ago.
00:03 eli: (See `take' in the lazy language...)
00:07 asumu: Well, either way we lose since I could imagine someone writing `takef` and think it's like `findf` or go `take` -> `takef`. Blagh.
00:08 eli: Yes.
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02:50 cnonim: how i can check how many values return function?
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04:11 dented42: cnonim: pardon?
04:11 dented42: you mean how many values a function returns?
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10:23 netrino: Greetings, racketeers! Why does program in DrRacket runs significantly slowly then in the console?
10:26 bremner: netrino: check your language options
10:28 eli: bremner: Did you see the pl language discussion from a few days ago?
10:28 bremner: eli: only vaguely. Something about boxes being broken?
10:29 eli: Yes.
10:29 bremner: is it fixable?
10:29 eli: The problem with one of the recent fixes is that constructors have the wrong type.
10:29 netrino: bremner: how does this affect performance? I mean not startup time, but execution time of separate functions (measured with `time`). Anyway, in DrRacket I have "Determine language from source" and #lang racket/base in the source
10:29 eli: bremner: For a quick example, given the usual (define-type AE [Num Number] ...) --
10:30 eli: the problem would be that the `Num' constructor would get a result type of `Num', instead of `AE'.
10:30 eli: This is usually not a problem -- except with boxes, since they don't have subtyping that follows from their contents.
10:30 bremner: I thought you ripped out constructor names?
10:30 bremner: oh, no, sorry
10:30 bremner: variant names are still there, obviously
10:31 eli: Yeah, the constructor names are just constructors, they're not bound type names.
10:31 eli: Which was also pretty confusing.
10:31 eli: In any case, the new code has all of that sorted out.
10:31 bremner: oh, cool. Is it still only in a private repo?
10:32 bremner: netrino: look under Dynamic Properties. e.g. syntactic test suite coverage slows it down.
10:32 eli: Yeah -- I can either send it to you, or you can get the new sources from pl.barzilay.org/pl.plt
10:32 bremner: the latter is fine, I think.
10:32 eli: The relevant changes are all in the lang/datatype directory.
10:33 eli: And BTW, you had some quick intro thing written, right?
10:33 eli: (I have a friend in Israel who is doing this, and a tutorial would be useful for him.)
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10:35 bremner: eli: yes, there are some things in http://www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner/teaching/cs3613/lectures/ ; probably lecture 0 is the only thing that is in addition to your lecture notes.
10:36 bremner: also in a more plain text form:http://www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner/teaching/cs3613/racket/plai-quick-ref.rkt/
10:36 bremner: I see the title is wrong, it isn't plai, but pl
10:37 bremner: eli: btw, in your hw setup, are the tests.rktl only run web.rkt?
10:37 eli: bremner: Thanks -- I'll pass it along to him.
10:37 eli: Re the title, it's plai-something -- "pl" was me allowing myself to use a completely generic name which makes sense in my course...
10:38 bremner: yeah, that's true. Or at least enough for lazy me.
10:38 eli: For the hw setup -- I have a particular workflow with the grader,
10:38 eli: Students submit their homeworks which get the minimal checking in the checkers (usually that the expected functions are in),
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10:39 eli: I then run a script that copies the submissions into a grading subdirectory which is a submodule repo that I share with the grader,
10:39 eli: It also copies the solutions and the tests,
10:39 eli: and then the grader can use a script that runs all submissions against all tests.
10:39 eli: This gives him a quick view of who messed up where.
10:40 eli: But all of that requires using my particular homework setup, which you probably don't.
10:40 bremner: OK, I may or may not be passing that info to the grader.
10:40 eli: To use the just the tests, see ~/pl/test-files
10:41 eli: It's runnabale as a script (with the usual "-h" for help)
10:41 eli: And you can give it a test file and a bunch of student files.
10:42 eli: My experience with graders is that you should try to run it yourself, then tell him exactly what to do.
10:42 eli: Also, in relatively rare cases I'll have a grader who is good enough to actually add test cases.
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10:46 bremner: I am using pack-submissions; it looks like maybe sync-submissions is the fancier one
10:47 bremner: anyway, thanks for the help, I have to leave for while.
10:48 eli: Yeah, pack-submissions is an older thing, for an email-based workflow.
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11:06 netrino: bremner: yes, i've turned off debug/profiling and it becomes faster, thanks for the help.
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21:06 doomrobo: is there a way to turn a list into values? I want two separate variables for the result of (take '(item1 item2 item3 item4) 2) and I don't want to have to use car and cdr
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21:09 didi: rudybot: (match (take '(item1 item2 item3 item4) 2) ((list foo bar) (cons foo bar)))
21:09 rudybot: didi: your sandbox is ready
21:09 rudybot: didi: ; Value: (item1 . item2)
21:09 didi: doomrobo: Maybe `match'?
21:09 bremner: rudybot: (apply values '(item1 item2 item3))
21:09 rudybot: bremner: ; Value: item1
21:09 doomrobo: thanks
21:09 rudybot: bremner: ; Value#2: item2
21:09 rudybot: bremner: ; Value#3: item3
21:10 doomrobo: bremner, I thought of using apply, but I have another atomic argument
21:10 doomrobo: and then I have to curry, and...no
21:10 didi: Well, if you want to use values...
21:11 didi: rudybot: (let-values (((foo bar) (values 1 2))) (+ foo bar))
21:11 rudybot: didi: ; Value: 3
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21:49 doomrobo: how do I concisely ignore everything but the first value in (values 1 2 3)?
21:52 offby1: hmm!
21:52 offby1: interesting question.  Lemme think.
21:53 doomrobo: I've already figured a workaround for my particular case, but I'd like to hear the answer anyway
21:53 offby1: rudybot: eval (call-with-values (thunk (values 1 2 3)) (lambda x (cdr x)))
21:53 rudybot: *offby1: ; Value: (2 3)
21:53 offby1: oops, got it backwards
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21:54 offby1: rudybot: eval (call-with-values (thunk (values 1 2 3)) (lambda x (car x)))
21:54 rudybot: *offby1: ; Value: 1
21:54 didi: rudybot: (match/values (values 1 2 3) ((list foo _...) (- foo)))
21:54 rudybot: didi: ; Value: -2
21:54 offby1: a few characters more concise, I confess
21:54 didi: Oops, that binded to `2'.
21:55 doomrobo: why
21:56 didi: rudybot: (match/values (values 1 2 3) ((foo _ _) (- foo)))
21:56 rudybot: didi: ; Value: -1
21:56 offby1 rubs chin
21:56 doomrobo: not gonna be that easy
21:56 doomrobo: didi, do it the right way :p
21:56 paddymahoney: (define-values (a _1 _2) (values 1 2 3))
21:57 offby1: some new faces around here!
21:57 doomrobo: that'll do
21:57 paddymahoney: (define-values (_ a b) (values 1 2 3))
21:58 didi: Hum, `match/values' says: "Each clause must contain exactly n patterns".
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23:01 asumu: doomrobo: re: the thing you said about currying, you mean you need another argument to values?
23:01 asumu: rudybot: (apply values 0 '(1 2 3))
23:01 rudybot: asumu: your sandbox is ready
23:01 rudybot: asumu: ; Value: 0
23:01 rudybot: asumu: ; Value#2: 1
23:01 rudybot: asumu: ; Value#3: 2
23:01 rudybot: asumu: ; Value#4: 3
23:01 doomrobo: facepalm
23:01 asumu: Racket's apply is special. :)
23:01 doomrobo: rudybot, (apply values '(1 2 3) 0)
23:01 rudybot: doomrobo: your sandbox is ready
23:01 rudybot: doomrobo: error: apply: contract violation <NEWLINE>   expected: list? <NEWLINE>   given: 0 <NEWLINE>   argument position: 3rd <NEWLINE>   other arguments...: <NEWLINE>    #<procedure:values> <NEWLINE>    '(1 2 3)
23:02 doomrobo: that's what I was doing
23:03 asumu: (actually, I guess this behavior of `apply` was standard in Scheme... *shrug*)
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