00:04 ewemoa thanks Robby Findler for get-pure-port/headers: http://tny.cz/df1f2787
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02:39 sw2wolf: Does "[]" mean vector in racket ?
02:39 mithos28: sw2wolf: Not usually. Where did you see it?
02:41 sw2wolf: from some racket source code
02:41 sw2wolf: There isno "[]" in CL
02:42 sw2wolf: "[]" seems make racket code comfortable
02:43 mithos28: sw2wolf: for most racket code []s are the same as () except that they cannot be interchanged. So [) and (] are bad
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02:51 sw2wolf: oh, thanks
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06:05 qerub: Is there any way to read(-syntax) and keep comments?
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07:48 ewemoa: i am having trouble debugging with multiple files open in drracket (5.3.1) -- only one file seems to be recognized by the debugger though i have multiple open -- any ideas how to investigate further?
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09:26 mye: qerub: I don't know much about it but my guess it that there is no datatype for comments
09:27 mye: maybe you can change the read-table or something like that to override the default skipping
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09:46 qerub: mye: ok, thanks.
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11:11 soegaard: mithos28: Github keeps statistics over commiters: https://github.com/plt/racket/graphs/contributors
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11:23 tewk: samth: I'm interested in adding (set a b c) (set-rest h t) clauses to match.  I assume I can't do those with define-match-expander?
11:23 samth: tewk: the problem is conflict between the bindings
11:23 samth: so you should probably add those as built-ins
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11:25 tewk: samth: yeah that was what I was thinking.
11:25 samth: but it should be pretty easy to add the relevant code
11:27 samth: code is here: https://github.com/plt/racket/blob/master/collects/racket/match/parse.rkt
11:27 samth: see the clauses that use `trans-match`
11:27 asumu: samth: can we add stream/sequence as built-ins too?
11:27 samth: asumu: yes
11:27 asumu: Ok, great.
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13:04 tewk: samth: what is ddk?
13:04 mithos28: driver development kit?
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13:05 mithos28: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDK
13:05 tewk: mithos28: ddk? is internal function in the match implementation.
13:06 mithos28: oh, well I joined late
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13:45 samth: tewk: it's for matching dot-dot-n for some n, or dot-dot-dot
13:46 tewk: samth: Yeah, I figured that out.
13:47 tewk: I've just tried to cut and paste code to get sets working.  I'll paste a gist so you can tell me what I'm doing wrong.
13:48 tewk: which file in tests/match/ should the tests go.
13:48 tewk: ?
13:50 tewk: samth: https://gist.github.com/4112814
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13:51 samth: tewk: you seem to be missing code for translating to a list in the (set es ...) case
13:52 samth: tewk: i put new things in tests/match/examples
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14:01 tewk: samth: cool I got it working.
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14:46 tewk: samth: I'm thinking about creating a set-pair matcher that uses set-first set-reset to match. it doesn't much sense to me to allow further patterns inside set-pair.  I think I just want to allow pattern variables because you don't know which element of the set your going to get.
14:47 samth: tewk: you could use `set-first`/set-rest only when the patterns are pattern variables
14:47 samth: and fall back to the `list-no-order` semantics otherwise
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14:55 tewk: samth: good idea, so could you help me outline what I need to do?  Will this require adding a SPair struct that inherits from Pat and modifying the compiler?
14:55 samth: tewk: you ought to be able to just do it in the parser where you're currently modifying
14:56 samth: just translate `(set-pair a b)` differently if a and b are pattern variables
14:56 samth: (basically just identifiers)
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15:05 shriphani: hi everyone. I think there's a bug in nvd's html-parsing on in xml, xml/path.  (xexpr? (get-html-xexpr "http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/tinierme/f.973/"))       is #f...   Shouldn't the permissive parses always return an xexpr ?
15:05 shriphani: or *
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15:08 asumu: shriphani: wait, where is this function? I can't find `get-html-xexpr` anywhere.
15:09 shriphani: oops asumu sorry. I'll pastebin this guy one sec.
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15:10 shriphani: http://pastebin.ca/2253203
15:10 shriphani: asumu, ^
15:12 shriphani: the output looks like it is xexpr but I am not sure how to confirm that.
15:13 asumu: Yeah, that says #f for me too.
15:14 asumu: It looks like #\>> is the problem.
15:14 asumu: Well, "#\»"
15:15 asumu: (you can see this if you check the xexpr/c contract)
15:15 shriphani: hmm is there a simple fix for this ?
15:16 shriphani: i.e. one that doesn't require me to handle all the quirks on the WWW on a case-by-case basis ?
15:18 asumu: Well, it looks like it's a bug in the package.
15:18 asumu: It's outputting a character instead of a string.
15:18 asumu: Oh, characters are allowed in an xexpr. They just have to be "valid"
15:20 shriphani: hmm... so is there another html library I can use ?
15:21 asumu: Well, you can send neilv a bug report.
15:21 asumu: I don't know off the top of my head if there are other permissive parsers.
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15:23 shriphani: is there a format for bug-reports (i.e. trac or something) or do you usually just send in an email?
15:25 neilv: you send email, except that's not a bug in the html-parsing library
15:25 neilv: "html->xexp" produces xexp, not xexpr
15:26 shriphani: ah... I didn't see that. So I should use something other than xml, xml/path to run queries on the output ?
15:26 neilv: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-xexp/
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15:27 neilv: you want sxpath from sxml-tools
15:27 neilv: i also like sxml-match
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15:42 tewk: samth: pardon my macro ignorance, how do I write dot-dot-dot in this gist https://gist.github.com/4113737 so list-no-order can parse it?
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15:45 tewk: (... ...)  duh
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16:02 asumu: Hmm, I bet the new math library will make it easier for me to solve Euler problems. :p
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16:19 samth: asumu: :)
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16:27 shriphani: asumu, couldn't you always use FFI with C's libraries ?
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16:29 asumu: Yes... but I'm not likely to do that just to solve an euler problem.
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17:11 aezx: have you guys seen collabedit.com?
17:12 aezx: real time collaborative editing. doesnt explicitly support racket, but it's still pretty nifty
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17:24 dyoo: aezx: checking...
17:24 aezx: http://collabedit.com/jdf2w
17:25 dyoo: ah, cool, so it's an implementation of the operational transformation algorithm...
17:25 aezx: you lost me
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17:26 aezx: there's also etherpad
17:26 dyoo: there are a few different techniques to allow for collaborative editing.  One of these is called "operational transformation", which I remember reading about in a class I took.  I believe it's the technique that google wave also used.
17:26 aezx: which was bought by google and open sourced
17:27 aezx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation
17:27 aezx: you were spot on
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17:29 dyoo: in the class I took (http://www.cs.brown.edu/courses/csci2950-x/2008/), one of our projects was to implement something for collaborative editing.  Our team did a version of DrRacket+DivaScheme which enabled collaborative editing.  The way we did it was overkill, and I didn't optimize well, so it ran dog slow.  Perhaps a simple OT algorithm would have served us better.
17:30 aezx: you should totally do it if you have the time. that would be really cool to be able to work with people through DR in such a fluid way
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17:33 dyoo: time and attention.  :)  Currently working on integrating https://github.com/dyoo/new-token-tree into DrRacket.
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17:37 aezx: im sure i speak for the racket collective when I thank you for your work
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18:10 dyoo: asumu: thanks for the reference to zeller's congruence.  That was fun to code.  (https://gist.github.com/4114612)
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18:24 shriphani: hi everyone. what is the best practice to write-out / read-in lists ? I can see a display-* write operation but where is the corresponding read utility ?
18:25 tewk: samth: https://github.com/tewk/racket/commit/64751f95a0785bfaacebc9a1d815bf8a3a616130
18:25 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/d3t5pq8
18:25 tewk: shriphani: write and read
18:26 samth: tewk: i think `identifier?` is the wrong predicate for pattern variables
18:26 samth: for example, it does the wrong thing on _
18:26 samth: although your code works
18:27 samth: but it's certainly wrong for (set-pair x ...)
18:27 samth: which should be a syntax error
18:27 samth: also, i'm a little scared by the use of `match` in the expansion
18:28 dyoo: shriphani: example:  (define a-list (read (open-input-string "(a b (c d))")))
18:28 tewk: I thought you would say that about the use of `match` :)
18:28 shriphani: ah cool. thx.
18:28 samth: tewk: also, your set-pair translation breaks on this: (set-pair x 3)
18:28 samth: if the set is (set 3 4)
18:29 samth: b/c it will match 3 against x, succeed, and then fail to match 4 against 3
18:29 samth: when it should succeed
18:29 samth: i think you have have to expand into list-no-order
18:30 tewk: samth: this is all great feedback.
18:30 samth: tewk: no problem
18:30 samth: thanks for writing the code!
18:31 tewk: (set-pair x 3) should be a syntax error the second argument should always be a set.
18:34 samth: tewk: it would be odd for that to be a syntax error
18:35 samth: but still, you could do (set-pair x (? (lambda (z) (set-contains z 3))))
18:35 tewk: samth: right.
18:37 tewk: If I use list-no-order how do I get it to return a set for the second binding of set-pair ?
18:37 samth: oh hm
18:37 samth: that's tricky
18:38 tewk: That was how I got ended up with the embedded `match`
18:38 samth: you could just require a pattern variable there
18:38 samth: for the moment
18:38 samth: the right solution is to built `set` into the syntax
18:38 samth: then you can do all the more complicated work
18:42 tewk: jumping back to identifier? is (lambda (x) (and (identifer? x) (not (or (equal? (syntax-e x) '_) (equal? (syntax '...))))) good enough or are there other magic symbols?
18:42 samth: tewk: i think there's a predicate for it somewhere in the code
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18:49 tewk: pattern-var?
18:49 samth: yes
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18:55 tewk: )
18:55 tewk: What do you mean by samth> the right solution is to built `set` into the syntax ?
18:56 samth: i mean to add `set` to the AST and the compiler
18:56 samth: so that you can make `set-pair` do the right thing and backtract
18:56 tewk: Ok thats what I thought.
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21:59 asumu: dyoo: No problem, I found it fun too. I used it to build calendar picts: https://github.com/takikawa/pict-utils/blob/master/calendar/main.rkt :)
22:00 dyoo: yup!
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22:13 greghendershott: I understand how `with-syntax' is a variation on `syntax-case'.
22:13 greghendershott: But `with-syntax' is NOT a variation on `syntax-parse' — correct?
22:14 asumu: greghendershott: you mean in the sense that the left-hand side can't use syntax classes?
22:14 greghendershott: Yes.
22:16 greghendershott: I've been going in circles on something where some other elements were already confusing me, and I was wondering if using `with-syntax' to avoid a nested `syntax-parse' was biting me.
22:16 asumu: I don't think there is a `syntax-parse`-based `with-syntax`, but there is a `define/syntax-parse` which gets you similar functionality (I think).
22:17 greghendershott: Yep I saw that, which was part of the light bulb going off.
22:19 greghendershott: OK thank you.
22:20 shriphani_: hi is there a tutorial to prepare a portable racket that I can move around ?
22:24 neilv: i just moved my racket from the office to the living room
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22:44 aezx: yeah i just cleaned mine after moving it from my trunk to the kitchen
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23:01 greghendershott: shriphani_: I haven't tried it, but: https://bitbucket.org/chust/racket-portable/wiki/Home
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23:07 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 3f54afb Danny Yoo: Add rb-tree implementation in preparation for improving token-tree performance.
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23:09 asumu: dyoo: I like how you have an angry-monkey%.
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23:10 dyoo: Of course.  It had to be done.  one million monkeys typing randomly into a keyboard.  And trees.  And monkeys throwing "things" at each other.  It had to be done.
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23:12 dyoo: asumu: that was the random test generator that Robby pushed me to get in, and it showed flaws in my program several times.  So I'm happy with it.
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23:26 greghendershott: Ooh is this kind of like Jeff Atwood's Chaos Monkey?
23:26 greghendershott: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/04/working-with-the-chaos-monkey.html
23:26 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/6a2r6k3
23:29 greghendershott: Actually it's Netflix's monkey, but Atwood explains it better.
23:31 dyoo: huh.  didn't see ths.
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23:38 wedgeV_: any way to get Racket looks nice on a "retina" display macbook?
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23:41 asumu: wedgeV_: it's a known bug. No fix yet.
23:41 wedgeV_: asumu: ok, thanks!
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