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00:13 mye: I have some functions that need to share a stack which are called by a parser (i.e. in unknown order) I have them access the stack by using parameters e.g. current-prefix-stack. Some functions need to update the top value in the stack (a hash table) and I can do that functionally using hash-set, but I'm at a loss for a design that doesn't then set the new value in the stack.
00:13 mye: any ideas? just use set!?
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06:01 tim-brown: in drracket? is there a keybinding for "rename <identifier>", like what you get from the right mouse popup menu?
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09:14 samth: tim-brown: no, i don't think so
09:15 samth: i don't know if that would be easy to add as a custom keybinding
09:15 samth: you should ask on the mailing list
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09:37 tim-brown: samth: thx
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10:57 mye: Is there a way to get (for/fold (…) (…) (body…) indent in DrRacket like it's in the docs (i.e. accums and for-clause line up underneath each other, body doesn't) ?
10:57 mye: or am I doing something wrong?
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11:22 RacketCommitBot: racket/master d2256e2 Eli Barzilay: Another email for Matthew.
11:22 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 672910f Eli Barzilay: Lots of bad TAB eliminations....
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11:36 greghendershott: mye: Unfortunately I don't think so. for/fold has an atypical form. Auto-indent doesn't work with any of the standard indent patterns in DrRacket (or Emacs for that matter). As a result I've been hand-indenting it.
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11:38 mye: greghendershott: I would do that too, but I have the habit of smashing cmd-i very often which undoes the manual indent  :|
11:39 greghendershott: Yeah I know. I suppose if for/fold had been defined with extra parens to group those double clauses as one — (for/fold ((…) (…)) body) — then it would probably work with the standard indents. OTOH it would be Yet Another Level of Parentheses. Anyway I think it's on the to-do list for DrRacket, to add a special indent case for for/fold.
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12:04 asvil: so, what is the plt/src/racket/gc2 directory? are there autogenerated files?
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12:06 samth: asvil: if you
12:06 samth: are using a separate build directory (as i would recommend), the generated files go there
12:07 samth: but the system does preprocess the files to support precise garbage collection
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12:11 asvil: samth, yes, my fault
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13:15 jonrafkind: so should we stop using prefixes for commit messages?
13:15 jonrafkind: i disagree with eli
13:17 stamourv: jonrafkind: I have mixed feelings too.
13:18 stamourv: A lot of tools will only show the first line of the commit message, and not the list of files changed.
13:18 jonrafkind: yes, like tig. thats what i use
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13:20 stamourv: Never heard of that one. What is it?
13:21 jonrafkind: a command line git viewer
13:21 jonrafkind: try it out
13:24 stamourv: Looks really cool!
13:25 stamourv: I've been using gitg, which is not super stable, and mostly rodent-based.
13:28 samth: rodent?
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13:38 asumu likes prefixes too
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14:16 eli: jonrafkind, stamourv: The prefixes thing is not as bad as some of the other problems --
14:17 eli: but one way to look at this is to anticipate a future where we finally split the repo into a bunch of smaller ones,
14:17 eli: that would leave you with a honu repo where all commits have a [Honu] prefix.
14:18 eli: But another potentially bad thing that such a habit can lead to is when you specialize these prefixes to the point where you almost have the file name in it.
14:18 eli: So my conclusion about this would be to just consider them discouraged in general, at least as long as you're aware of these potential problems.
14:19 eli: (I'd rephrase that, but I still hope that someone will take it and make a proper text out of it.)
14:19 eli: And speaking about this...
14:19 eli: dyoo: ping
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14:19 dyoo: eli: pong?
14:19 eli: dyoo: Did you see my big plea for good commit messages?
14:20 dyoo: uh, I must have missed it.  What did I mess up?
14:21 eli: I sent it out a few hours ago -- look for an email with a subject of "Commit messages"
14:21 eli: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev/archive/2012-November/010751.html
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14:22 dyoo: Ok, I did not read this messsage yet.  I'll do so.
14:23 ricoralf02: Create a Racket procedure find_min that reads numbers from the keyboard until 0 is read, and display the minimum of all read numbers. Note that 0 is included in the computation. Alright I REALLY need help,.
14:23 eli: dyoo: Also, I see that you don't have a gnats access, do you want one?
14:23 dyoo: I do, though aren't we switching away from gnats soon?
14:23 dyoo: ricoralf02: what part are you getting stuck on?
14:24 eli: Yes, but that will take time, most likely.
14:24 Haffe: Hmmm.
14:24 Haffe: I never found a clear answer to that.
14:24 Haffe: Is (read) the standard way of reading input?
14:24 eli: ricoralf02: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AkNLXsJN8AVA4vHd2LY.B6jsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20121105191910AAOpBfH
14:24 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/ake6dnn
14:25 ricoralf02: I can get the min easy, but I need the user to input numbers without parathesis.  Not sure if this makes sense.
14:25 eli: ricoralf02: See that URL.
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14:26 dyoo: Haffe: several ways to do input/output.  The function read is powerful, but maybe too powerful.
14:26 eli: Actually, since it's short enough: (define (find_min) (for/fold ([m #f]) ([x (in-producer read eof (current-input-port))]) (min x (or m x))))
14:26 ricoralf02: Thats it?
14:26 dyoo: other ways include: using read-line to read in whole strings, string->number to turn strings to numbers
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14:27 eli: Yeah, that does just that.  [I suspect that it's a question from someone from the same class...]
14:27 eli: (And yes, it doesn't do the 0 bit -- leaves something for you...)
14:28 ricoralf02: I hit run and input numbers but doesnt do anything.. sorry my first racket problem :/
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14:29 dyoo: Haffe: see the end of http://blog.racket-lang.org/2012/10/the-3n1-problem_4990.html as an example of using read-line and read to get numbers
14:29 eli: ricoralf02: It reads the numbers until the end of the input -- in drracket you should hit the EOF button.
14:29 eli: dyoo: You should have access now.  (Including editing, otherwise it's open without logging in.)
14:29 eli: dyoo: It uses the same password hash I have for you for the internal access.
14:29 dyoo: eli: thanks!
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14:30 eli: jeapostrophe: http://drdr.racket-lang.org/25645/collects/tests/racket/mzq.rktl
14:30 eli: Looks like something might be very broken.
14:31 eli: (And I'm still happily assuming it's not a result of my changes...)
14:32 ricoralf02: hmm.. I can't get it to work.
14:33 dyoo: ricoralf02: recommend not to use eli's answer: it's in professional-level Racket, unsuitable for an intro CS course
14:35 ricoralf02: I know how to get the minimum.  But when entering numbers, I need to put in (1 2 3 4 -3).  I need it so I can put in number without paranthesis 1 2 3 5 -4. :/
14:39 dyoo: It's hard to tell what features of Racket you're allowed to use in your class. Check with your instructor.  If you look at the end of http://blog.racket-lang.org/2012/10/the-3n1-problem_4990.html, you'll see one way to get numbers into a program.  But I don't know if it's using features that you're allowed to use.
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14:43 ricoralf02: Ok thanks! Yeah I just have to use the "display" and "read" functions.  I got my finding average program running. This finding min is giving me a headache, and its prolly something simple.
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14:50 jonrafkind: eli, is the 'commented code' thing directed at me again :p
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14:54 eli: jonrafkind: I have no idea what you're talking about.
14:55 jonrafkind: point 9
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14:57 eli: jonrafkind: Oh you mean in the commit thing?
14:57 eli: That's actually from the git guidelines.
14:58 jonrafkind: oh so it was just a general suggestion?
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14:58 eli: jonrafkind: Yes, the original text is: - do not check in commented out code or unneeded files
14:59 eli: It just happens to be yet another place that recommends not doing the thing that you're fond of doing.
14:59 jonrafkind: its useful to have old code that is a safe/known working implementation if you are unsure about the new one
14:59 jonrafkind: because its easy to forget there was a working implementation before unless its right in front of you
14:59 eli: Yes, a repository is a useful thing indeed.
15:00 jonrafkind: my memory is not perfect
15:00 eli: Right, that's why we need a repository.
15:00 jonrafkind: what if you forget its even in the history to begin with
15:00 jonrafkind: then having it in the repsitory is not helpful
15:00 eli: I don't know, if you forget that something ever was then anything can happen.
15:01 eli: I guess that the same happens if you forget that you're a student, or a hacker, or that your name is John Rafkind.
15:01 eli waits for the h punchline
15:01 jonrafkind: well this is my workaround for my imperfect memory. until im 99% sure the new code is the right thing i leave in the old code so i dont forget about it
15:02 eli sighs
15:02 jonrafkind: if you take the ability to forget to its logical extreme you can come up with all sorts of nonsensical arguments, like society itself will fail
15:02 jonrafkind: but in practice there is lots of code and i can't remember every time there was safe old code that i can go get from the history
15:03 eli: jonrafkind: Leave it in your repository, rename it to something else, then "git status" will remind you of it.  I do that with TODO files.
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15:53 manonthem00n: Create a Racket procedure compute_pos that reads numbers from the keyboard until 0 is read, count how many positive numbers are read, and also compute the sum of only positive numbers, and display the count and the sum of positive numbers in different lines. Note that 0 is not included in the computations. For examples, if user enters:You need to utilize “display” procedure to display the count and the sum, and also utilize ??
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15:56 jonrafkind: sounds like a fun problem, did you solve it?
15:58 manonthem00n: Nope. Trying too
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16:30 eli: jonrafkind: did you get my email?
16:30 jonrafkind: oh yea just got it
16:31 eli: ok
16:31 jonrafkind: is your email being wonky today?
16:31 eli: no
16:31 eli: I'm on my phone...
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16:50 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 7b04571 Matthew Flatt: racket/gui: add `get-current-mouse-state'
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16:55 jonrafkind: what does this mean
16:55 jonrafkind: Switched to branch 'stable'
16:55 jonrafkind: Your branch is behind 'origin/stable' by 918 commits, and can be fast-forwarded.
16:57 jonrafkind: i guess its harmless..
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17:18 eli: jonrafkind: The `stable' branch is moved from one release to another, so there are always lots of updates in one shot.
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17:24 jonrafkind: eli, i think frtime was disabled
17:25 jonrafkind: because the latest code breaks
17:25 jonrafkind: so it was 99% ported to #lang racket
17:26 eli: jonrafkind: That would be bad.  Can you check that?
17:26 jonrafkind: ok
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17:26 eli: It's the release message that was composed when I didn't even read my mail...
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17:29 jonrafkind: ok in frtime/opt/frtime-opt-lang.rkt most of the body is commented out
17:29 jonrafkind: but im guessing that is an optional module
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17:30 eli: jonrafkind: Is `#lang frtime' working though?
17:31 jonrafkind: yea the demos in frtime work
17:31 jonrafkind: except that when you close the window the racket vm just sits in some loop so it never quits
17:31 jonrafkind: ^Cuser break
17:31 jonrafkind: context...:
17:31 jonrafkind: /home/jon/svn/plt/collects/mred/private/wx/common/queue.rkt:650:3
17:34 eli: That's bad, but not as bad as announcing something that is not there...
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18:11 RacketCommitBot: racket/master fb3a95f Danny Yoo: Replace fprintf with explicit display for performance....
18:11 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 6d18928 Danny Yoo: Add let loop for recursion and slight performance increase.
18:11 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 40116eb Danny Yoo: Lift out empty-tag-shorthand parameter lookup out of the hot spot.
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20:33 mye: when I do #lang racket -> #lang racket/base I get syntax-case: unbound identifier in the transformer environment, but if (for-syntax racket/base) is required it works again
20:34 mye: the docs say syntax-case is provided by racket/base
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21:12 asumu: mye: it probably doesn't provide it in phase 1.
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21:17 asumu: I could've sworn something about the syntax-case binding came up recently somewhere, but I can't find it.
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22:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/tTrdeA
22:52 RacketCommitBot: racket/master d20f9a8 Robby Findler: should have been removed in an earlier commit, but I wrote...
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22:53 asumu: Hmm. Just had a segfault during a fresh compile.
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22:57 asumu: Okay, didn't seem to happen this time around.
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