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16:10 samth: jeapostrophe, drdr feature request
16:10 samth: could pages show the state of other drdr-relevant props?
16:11 samth: such as http://drdr.racket-lang.org/25567/collects/tests/racket/stress/fuzz.rkt showing that it's marked as randomly failing
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16:16 samth: also, jeapostrophe, it would be nice to see a history of results for a single file
16:17 jeapostrophe: i understand the first one
16:17 jeapostrophe: what do you mean for the second request? you can press the prev rev button
16:18 samth: yeah, but i'd like to see a lot all at once
16:18 samth: for example, i'm looking at this file: http://drdr.racket-lang.org/25542/collects/redex/examples/delim-cont/randomized-tests-test.rkt
16:18 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/9ztppv4
16:18 samth: and trying to determine if it should still be marked random
16:19 jeapostrophe: so what information are you looking forward?
16:20 samth: status, mostly -- exit code, timeout status, stderr status
16:20 jeapostrophe: you can go back by change...?
16:21 jeapostrophe: i'm not sure what i would show? a big list of the previous stats?
16:21 samth: yeah
16:21 samth: not on the main page
16:21 samth: but you could have a 'history' link
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16:36 RacketCommitBot: racket/master 9773d89 Sam Tobin-Hochstadt: Clean up `drdr:random` props.
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17:26 Kyndar: hello, I am looking for some help with an assignment I have in Racket from class. I want to Implement a Scheme function, RemoveFirst, that takes as arguments a natural number n and a list L and removes the
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17:26 Kyndar: first n elements of L. That is, the function returns a new list containing elements (n+1) through the end of the input list L.
17:27 Kyndar: For example, (RemoveFirst 2 '(fee fi fo fum)) returns '(fo fum).
17:27 Kyndar: can anyone help me out?
17:28 didi: Kyndar: Well, what do you have so far?
17:29 jonrafkind: Kyndar, what shoudl you return if n = 0?
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19:29 Kyndar: Hello, i asked this question earlier but i got disconnected, so sorry if someone answered it and i didnt see.
19:29 Kyndar: I need to implement a Scheme function, RemoveFirst, that takes as arguments a natural number n and a list L and removes the
19:30 didi: Kyndar: What are you struggling with?
19:30 Kyndar: first n elements of L.
19:31 didi: Kyndar: I was not clear, sorry. What part of the procedure you are having trouble?
19:31 Kyndar: rather than typing the rest, here is the link to a post i made about it
19:31 Kyndar: http://forums.devshed.com/beginner-programming-16/drracket-help-i-need-help-please-933111.html#post2829738
19:31 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/98nk449
19:32 Kyndar: thx
19:34 didi: Kyndar: One way of doing it is calling `removefirst' recursively.
19:35 Kyndar: yes, that is the goal. but how to I make it only recur n times?
19:36 didi: Kyndar: You have a `n' parameter. ;^)
19:37 Kyndar: i do not understand how to implement that in drracket
19:38 didi: Kyndar: You're procedure is in the right direction, but you're not calling `removefirst' recursively.
19:39 didi: s/You're/Your
19:39 Kyndar: so like (else (removefirst (cdr L))?
19:40 didi: Aha!
19:40 didi: Almost there.
19:41 didi: `removefirst' take two arguments, doesn't it?
19:42 Kyndar: okay
19:42 Kyndar: yes
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19:45 Kyndar: (else removefirst((- n 1)(cdr L))
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19:45 Kyndar: but that isnt working just right
19:45 didi: Kyndar: Remember how procedures are applied.
19:46 Kyndar: i dont understand
19:46 didi: Kyndar: (proc arg1 arg2 arg3 ...)
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19:46 Kyndar: i see
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19:48 Kyndar: i still cannot get it to work
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19:49 didi: But you're so close!
19:49 didi: Paste what you have.
19:49 Kyndar: (define (removefirst n L)   (cond      ((< n 0)(#f))     ((= n 0)(L))     ((> n (length L))(" "))     (else removefirst(- n 1)(cdr L))))
19:49 Kyndar: yuck. ill post it in the forum
19:49 didi: Kyndar: Use some pastebin.
19:49 Kyndar: i dont know what that means
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19:51 didi: Kyndar: Paste it at <codepad.org> and choose Scheme as the Language.
19:53 Kyndar: http://codepad.org/1hmbVtRg
19:54 didi: Kyndar: removefirst(- n 1)(cdr L) is not right.
19:54 didi: (proc arg1 arg2 arg3 ...)
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19:55 Kyndar: what is wrong with it? i assumed it would run  over and over reducing n by 1 till n=0 when it would give you the list
19:55 didi: Kyndar: You're not correctly applying `removefirst' to (- n 1) and (cdr L).
19:55 didi: rudybot: (+ 4 2)
19:55 rudybot: didi: your sandbox is ready
19:55 rudybot: didi: ; Value: 6
19:56 didi: rudybot: + 4 2
19:56 rudybot: didi: eh?  Try "rudybot: help".
19:56 Kyndar: rudybot: help
19:56 rudybot: Kyndar: bug <more> ..., help [<what>], version, quote, source, url, seen <nick>, uptime, t8 <from> <to> <text> ..., init [<lang>], eval <expr> ..., give <to> <expr> ..., apropos <str> ..., desc <id>, doc <id>
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19:58 Kyndar: (else (removefirst(- n 1)(cdr L)))?
19:58 didi: :^)
19:58 Kyndar: i get a different problem now though
19:59 Kyndar: at ((= n 0)(L))
19:59 Kyndar: application: not a procedure;  expected a procedure that can be applied to arguments
19:59 didi: Kyndar: Sure. L is not a procedure.
20:01 Kyndar: thanks for your help :]
20:01 dyoo: Kyndar: very strong recommendation: look at something like http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/part_two.html when you have time
20:01 dyoo: or earlier chapters; the stuff you're running into now should have been caught even before you're doing recursive definitions
20:03 Kyndar: yeah unfortunately its the TAs first time teaching racket so i think a lot of stuff gets brushed over
20:03 Kyndar: thanks for the suggestion, ill check it out
20:03 dyoo: yeah, assuming your TAs don't have much experience, you'll have to compensate
20:04 dyoo: the link to How to Design Programs shows a systematic approach to these kinds of problems
20:04 Kyndar: how to i show "empty list" in racket?
20:05 Kyndar: ((> n (length L))(" "))  is what i had, but the " " is incorrect
20:05 dyoo: Kyndar: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/part_two.html#(part._sec~3alists-cons)
20:05 didi: rudybot: empty
20:05 rudybot: didi: ; Value: ()
20:06 didi: Kyndar: " " is a string. Also, it's not a procedure.
20:06 didi: rudybot: (" ")
20:06 rudybot: didi: error: procedure application: expected procedure, given: " " (no arguments)
20:06 didi: Kyndar: ()s are important in Racket.
20:06 didi: They are not decoration.
20:07 didi: As sometimes they can be in C, for example.
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20:09 Kyndar: ((> n (length L) ()))?
20:12 didi: Kyndar: Count the parentheses.
20:12 didi: Also:
20:12 didi: rudybot: ()
20:13 rudybot: didi: error: #<undefined>:1:0: #%app: missing procedure expression; probably originally (), which is an illegal empty application in: (#%app)
20:13 didi: rudybot: '()
20:13 rudybot: didi: ; Value: ()
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20:15 dyoo: Kyndar: use empty to represent the empty list
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20:16 Kyndar: i see. didnt know the ' had to be there.
20:17 dyoo: If you're beginning to learn Racket, you might want to switch it over to a student-level language mode, at least until you learn the ropes.
20:18 Kyndar: what would that mean? my language is set to  R5RS (if i understand correctly)
20:18 dyoo: Beginner Student Language mode, for example, will try to give better error messages than R5RS
20:18 dyoo: It does restrict the language in certain ways.  See the beginning of: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/HtDP2e/part_prologue.html
20:19 Kyndar: awesome, very useful. thank you
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20:19 dyoo: I dunno what your instructor expects, but if they're not using advanced features of Racket, might be better to go to the student languages, at least at first
20:20 dyoo: Things like putting extraneous parens, for example, would have been caught up front by the student language mode.
20:23 Kyndar: Okay, now i am trying to do the popposite, cut off pieces from the last, and tried to add two reverses, but it did not work. Can you give me a suggestion here?
20:23 Kyndar: http://codepad.org/1vD4mU2Q
20:25 dyoo: Try running that program in beginner student language.   If you run it in BSL, it'l actually start highlighting parts of the program that are weird
20:26 dyoo: It'll pick out that (#f) is probably not correct.  It'll also see see something about the ((cdd (reverse L)) thing.  Unfortunately, BSL doesn't know about '(); you can use empty instead.
20:28 Kyndar: nvm figured it out
20:28 Kyndar: thank you though
20:28 dyoo: ok.  Sorry if I'm pushing BSL hard: just that it should help , especially at beginning where parens are just… well, noisy. :)
20:30 Kyndar: definitely, i turend it on
20:30 Kyndar: turned*
20:30 Kyndar: still not great error messages but definitely better haha
20:31 dyoo: cool.  Of course, if you do run into too many restrictions from the student languages, you can always go back to r5rs mode.  Good luck!  Feel free also to ask questions.
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20:56 Kyndar: So im trying to get slice list to work, and it does not but i cant tell where i went wrong.
20:56 Kyndar: http://codepad.org/KuhSuvco
20:56 Kyndar: should be that (SliceList 2 3 '(2 3 4 5)) returns '(3 4)
20:56 Kyndar: but it returns (2)
20:57 didi: Kyndar: You're still trying to use things that are not procedures as procedures.
20:58 didi: rudybot: (#f)
20:58 rudybot: didi: error: procedure application: expected procedure, given: #f (no arguments)
20:59 Kyndar: ok i got rid of the () around the #fs
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21:03 Kyndar: can you see where my logic is wrong?
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22:28 offby1: I can see where your lack of unit tests is wrong
22:30 didi: I say: Code fast and leave before the crash.
22:35 offby1: live fast, sigsegv early, leave a good-looking core dump
22:36 didi: Who needs core dumps when you can reboot this fast?
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22:54 offby1: whatever happened to the "crash-only software" idea?  I thought it was a good idea.
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23:04 xuser: is there PDF of HtDP2e somewhere?
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23:10 chandler: offby1: Microsoft claimed the patent on that, though recently Apple and Google have been infringing it.
23:11 offby1: haw
23:11 offby1: I suspect my cable box of infringing too
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