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02:40 jonrafkind: ok seems i had to tell youtube i was a real person before they let me upload videos longer than 15 minutes, so i can upload matthew's and sam's talks
02:40 mithos28: Yeah, otherwise you could have been a cat. They upload way to many videos as is
02:42 jonrafkind: whats stupid is i already uploaded matthew's video but it said rejected next to it in the manager, so i went through the 'verify that im real' dealy and then the video stayed rejected
02:42 jonrafkind: so i had to delete it and am now re-uploading it
02:43 mithos28: Did you file feedback?
02:43 jonrafkind: nah
02:43 jonrafkind: sounds useless
02:43 jonrafkind: i mean if they know im not real why did they let me upload the video in the first place
02:46 jonrafkind: you want answers? i want the truth! you cant handle the truth!
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02:53 didi: jonrafkind: At least you didn't have to login at Facebook (probably G+ in this case) to "prove that you're human". I heard that one this week. Also, poor dogs.
02:56 jonrafkind: well youtube is connected to g+ anyway..
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02:57 didi: Hehe. You're right. Oh well.
02:57 Cryovat: jonrafkind: I'm surprised
02:57 Cryovat: I thought people who weren't Youtube partners couldn't upload videos longer than ten minutes
02:57 Cryovat: Maybe they changed the policies
03:02 jonrafkind: *sigh* why is video encoding so slow. i have a 4-core 2.5ghz machine, this should take like a minute
03:03 Cryovat: Have  you seen the volume of videos that get added to Youtube every day?
03:03 Cryovat: It's terrifying
03:04 Cryovat: http://www.youtube.com/t/press_statistics
03:04 Cryovat: An hour of content per second is... quite some
03:04 jonrafkind: 1 trillion views in 2011.. holy bajeesus
03:05 Cryovat: And I guess they create several versions of each one
03:05 jonrafkind: im happy if i can get 5 people to use my software
03:06 jonrafkind: lol 500 years of youtube videos watched per day
03:06 Cryovat: What's sad is
03:06 Cryovat: Have you heard about "haul" videos?
03:06 jonrafkind: mankinds greatest achievement is allowing a child in a remote african village watch someones cat play the piano on the internet
03:07 jonrafkind: i feel like 'haul' rings a bell but i cant remember it
03:07 Cryovat: It's video blogs about what people bought
03:07 Cryovat: So for every hour of information that furthers the knowledge of the human species
03:07 jonrafkind: is it any more sad than brony videos
03:07 Cryovat: There's going to be a month of videos where someone shows off what they bought at a sale at the dollar store
03:10 jonrafkind: ok these two videos will be uploaded in a few hours.. time for sleep!
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05:37 Cryovat: While it's not very unixy, I like monolithic executables when it comes to tools
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10:16 noelw: asvil: could be.
10:17 noelw: I think Racket uses SSE now, but optimisations can still reorder expressions yielding different results
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12:37 jonrafkind: samth, i uploaded matthew and your tutorials so all the videos are there now
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12:39 samth: jonrafkind: awesome
12:39 samth: thanks!
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12:57 asvil: so, racket read flonum 0.00480000000000000045d0, and round it to 0.0048000000000000004d0, but c99 do not round and use it as is.
12:57 asvil: how can I fix it?
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14:46 samth: anyone here good with CSS?
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16:32 dyoo: samth: ping?
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16:53 samth: dyoo: pong
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17:37 dyoo: samth: any more details on how 5.3.1 affects typed racket's treatment of case?
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18:47 doomlord1: does racket have argument destructuring like clojure eg (defn foo[[a b][c d]...
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18:50 jonrafkind: you can do (define/match ...) like that somehow, although I havent used it
18:59 danl-ndi: can someone tell me the right way to wait for a thread that blocks to finish  entirely?
19:02 jonrafkind: its not (thread-wait some-thread) ?
19:03 jonrafkind: or I guess you could use (thread-dead-evt some-thread) to get an event that you can wait on
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19:11 jonrafkind: yea it seems like it should be an option at least, to compile the program where any undeclared types are just assumed to be Any
19:12 jonrafkind: that is my dream for a type system, you could slowly turn the knob of how much you want the system to complain about your program, all the way up to a type conflict is a static error
19:17 neilv: if you have a separate person turning up that knob, you could make a milgram experiment out of it
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19:46 asumu: doomlord1: What is (defn foo [[a b] [c d] ... supposed to do?
19:56 SamB_MacG5 is looking at main-collects.rkt ... sees a comment that says 'this is similar to what "main-collects.rkt" does
19:57 doomlord1: asumu: it destructures arguments
19:57 doomlord1: its like using tuples
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19:58 doomlord1: example - if you use a literal vector as a 3d point [x y z], you can pass that around as a single entity, or destructure it into components eg (defn vec-cross[[ax ay az][bx by bz]]    [(-(* ay bz)(* az by)) ....])
20:01 doomlord1: it also supports destructuring for let generally so multiple return values are just implemented as vectors ... its pretty neat imo
20:05 danl-ndi: anyone know how to display a \r or a #\return?
20:07 danl-ndi: could it be as easy as (display "\r") ... yikes
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20:30 asumu: doomlord1: that's easy to do in Racket
20:31 asumu: doomlord1: in the latest pre-release version (define/match (foo v1 v2) [((vector ax ay az) (vector bx by bz)) ...] ...)
20:31 asumu: Or you can just use match yourself or use match-lambda (in 5.3)
20:32 asumu: Racket's pattern matching is extremely general, so you can use regular expressions, match on structs, use arbitrary functions in matching, and so on.
20:32 doomlord1: i guess that way you have both the symbol for the whole thing AND the components, quite nice
20:32 asumu: doomlord1: it also lets you use Racket's optional and keyword arguments, for example
20:33 doomlord1: ah it still has all them, nice.
20:33 asumu: (define/match (foo #:opt [opt 'default] arg2) [('default (? even?)) ...] ...)
20:34 asumu: Full examples here: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/reference/match.html?q=define/match#(form._((lib._racket/match..rkt)._define/match))
20:38 doomlord1: i quite liked some of 'ion3' i think it was calledwhich had tabbed/tiled windows, but it didnt do everything you'd expect it to
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20:58 SamB_MacG5 wonders how Algol 60 qualifies as "experimental": isn't it a 52-year-old programming language?
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21:23 bremner doubts this implementation is that old
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