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00:34 neilv: rackout appliance: http://www.neilvandyke.org/weblog/2012/10/#2012-10-07
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00:57 jonrafkind: im sure its better than xbmc already
00:57 neilv: i tried around 10 different xbmc and myth variants, literally, before i decided i'd have better luck rolling my own
00:58 jonrafkind: my roomates and I used to run xbmc on our xbox and it was ok, but years later i tried it on the pc and i found it awful
01:01 neilv: plus, this one is fortified with racket
01:01 jonrafkind: now get racket to run on the xbox!
01:01 SamB_MacG5: or the wii
01:02 neilv: commodity pc hardware is the way to go
01:02 neilv: or cheap arm boards
01:02 jonrafkind: you could probably run all that nonsense off a pi
01:02 neilv: rackout's target hardware platform is "your old laptop from 5 years ago"
01:02 SamB_MacG5: sounds a bit tricky ;-P
01:03 neilv: pi is kinda slow. i don't know if you could decode 1080 video and run the web server interface at the same time
01:03 neilv: i almost bought a pi for this, but old laptop had all the hardware already built into one package (dvd player, wifi, big storage...)
01:06 jonrafkind: i thought a pi board had a video decoder on it
01:07 jonrafkind: Broadcom VideoCore IV,[66] OpenGL ES 2.0, MPEG-2 and VC-1 (with license[63]), 1080p30 h.264/MPEG-4 AVC high-profile decoder and encoder[3]
01:08 neilv: you know what people use with that? open source drivers?
01:09 neilv: also, don't want to be limited to kinda-closed video formats anyway
01:09 neilv: if more than a few people end up using rackout, i can look into the pi more seriously (or someone else can, since it'll be in planet)
01:12 neilv: now that you mention it, there's another reason to put rackout on the pi: it's an opportunity to promote rackout in a community of hacking-inclined people
01:13 jonrafkind: you can even run a pi emulator with qemu, but it might take like 30-40 hours to compile racket
01:14 neilv: i guess qemu of the pi can't take advantage of kvm
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02:36 RacketCommitBot: [racket/release] Alpha version number for the v5.3.1 release - Ryan Culpepper
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03:27 mrcarrot: Is it faster outside of emacs?
03:28 whiteout: Yes, much more from "DOS"
03:28 whiteout: From windows "terminal window"
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03:40 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.3.1.1. - Eli Barzilay
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10:58 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] adjust the code that initializes the pre-"first Run" repl - Robby Findler
10:58 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] minor Rackety and add a little more info into the log from when - Robby Findler
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12:46 dyoo: in web-server docs, there's a deprecation comment with regards to using web-server/http/bindings (http://docs.racket-lang.org/web-server/http.html#(mod-path._web-server/http/bindings)).  What are we supposed to use instead?
12:49 dyoo: ok, found my own answer.  I believe that we're supposed to use request-bindings/raw and bindings-assq to get at parameters
12:55 SamB_MacG5: So, I want to rip out Scribble's query-string handling JavaScript and use URI.js.  How would I go about adding URI.js to the racket repository?  I mean, it seems likely that it would be desirable to update it...
12:55 SamB_MacG5: oh, also I have some stuff for pull: https://github.com/plt/racket/pull/148
12:57 dyoo: where does URI.js come from?   What's its license?
12:59 SamB_MacG5: http://medialize.github.com/URI.js/ is the website
12:59 SamB_MacG5: it says MIT and GPLv3
13:00 dyoo: How well does MIT/GPLv3 mix with Racket's LGPL licensing?
13:01 SamB_MacG5 checks whether it is the Expat license
13:02 asumu: I suspect you could go MIT->LGPL but not GPL->LGPL.
13:03 SamB_MacG5: yeah, reading the first two paragraphs, they appear to be identical; the third paragraph is just long for NO WARRANTY, so I skipped it
13:08 dyoo: scribble-common.js is in collects/racket/scribble, so you could probably put URI.js in the same directory, git add it, and then get Scribble to include it in its output.  Hmm… does anyone know what else needs to be done?
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13:10 asumu: It'd be nice if we had something like hayoo: http://holumbus.fh-wedel.de/hayoo/hayoo.html
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13:21 SamB_MacG5: is that one of those Haskell API/code search engines?
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13:38 SamB_MacG5: dyoo: so it would really be that simple, then?
13:41 dyoo: SamB_MacG5: I think so; frankly, I haven't contributed a whole bunch yet… :)  But send the pull request; my experience has been that they've been active about handling git pulls.
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13:45 asumu: SamB_MacG5: it lets you search Hackage. It'd be nice if we could search PLaneT.
13:45 SamB_MacG5: ah, yeah
13:45 stamourv: (set! asumu (add1 asumu))
13:49 SamB_MacG5: okay, according to Wikipedia the Expat license is the X11 license minus one sentence, and that sentence added restrictions, so I think it's safe to say that the Expat license is not going to cause a problem ;-)
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13:53 jonrafkind: asumu, are these hackathon libraries requests from people?
13:54 jonrafkind: like does anyone really want an imgur api?
13:55 asumu: jonrafkind: No, I just collected a bunch of examples. I actually think imgur is one of the more useful ones there though...
13:55 asumu: e.g., libsane is perhaps questionable
13:55 jonrafkind: ha
13:55 jonrafkind: i mean is there some priority for these?
13:55 asumu: Feel free to add some more.
13:56 jonrafkind: i think people should just work on docs for existing stuff
13:56 jonrafkind: adding examples and whatnot
13:56 stamourv: Didn't Greg Hendershott write imgur bindings?
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13:58 asumu: Oh, did he? Lemme see.
13:59 stamourv: As part of wffi.
13:59 stamourv: (which looks really cool, btw.)
13:59 asumu: Oh yeah, he does.
14:00 asumu: So nevermind that, assuming the wffi thing works.
14:00 stamourv: Dunno if he covers the whole API, though.
14:00 asumu: Maybe I will remove libsane. I'm not sure anyone needs a Racket scanner binding.
14:00 asumu: And I will put OpenCV lower since it's more niche.
14:01 SamB_MacG5 wonders if it is safe to remove an IDE-attached ATAPI drive while the computer is on
14:02 stamourv: SamB_MacG5: There's only one way to find out!
14:03 SamB_MacG5: look for random postings on the internet?
14:03 (quit) acarrico: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
14:03 stamourv: Exactly.
14:03 stamourv: You're a true man of action.
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14:03 SamB_MacG5: I don't exactly want to fry anything ;-P
14:05 stamourv: https://github.com/greghendershott/wffi/blob/master/examples/horseebooks.rkt
14:05 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/9en4u5w
14:05 asumu: Hahah.
14:08 SamB_MacG5: okay, I'm going to be offline for a bit now :-)
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14:11 neilv: here's another test case for documentation search feature: "gui"
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14:29 doomlord: does racket have funcallable maps / vectors like clojure
14:34 asumu: doomlord: no, but you can implement your own using prop:procedure.
14:35 asumu: Data structures aren't provided by default because that overloads function calls in a confusing way.
14:35 asumu: Sorry, "funcallable data structures aren't ..."
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15:17 SamB_MacG5: well, that was interesting ... apparently, the current default kernel on my Debian box doesn't boot :-(
15:18 SamB_MacG5: I think it's the initrd
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15:23 SamB_MacG5: https://github.com/plt/racket/pull/148 has some scribble stuff for pulling
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17:33 dlob: if i (define-serializable-struct ...) in some file xyz.rkt and then (require "xyz.rkt") somewhere else, I should be able serialize/deserialize structs of that type, right?
17:33 dlob: the docs say that this is allowed only at the top level or in a module's top level so that deserialization data can be found later and I'm under the impression that I'm not violating this
17:33 dlob: but deserialization is failing
17:33 samth: dlob: that's right
17:34 stamourv: dlob: What's the error message?
17:34 dlob: "dynamic-require: unknown module: '#%embedded:g1337:create"
17:35 dlob: and that's happening upon deserialization, not serialization (in case that's relevant)
17:35 dlob: also note that xyz.rkt is actually create.rkt
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17:36 stamourv: What happens if you use prefab structs instead of `define-serializable-struct'?
17:37 stamourv: As in, `struct' and `#:prefab'.
17:38 dlob: yeah, i'll give that a try. the reason i was avoiding them is because i'm trying to pattern match on the result on the other end of the pipe and i don't see that to be possible with prefab structs (but i'll admit i don't full understand the uses of prefab structs yet)
17:40 samth: dlob: pattern matching should work fine with prefab structs
17:42 dlob: hmm ok, for some reason i was under the impression that it wouldn't. and if i do (define-struct xyz .... #:prefab) will I still get a constructor make-xyz?
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17:42 stamourv: Yes.
17:43 stamourv: rudybot: (define-struct prefab-posn (x y) #:prefab)
17:43 rudybot: stamourv: your sandbox is ready
17:43 rudybot: stamourv: Done.
17:43 stamourv: rudybot: (make-prefab-posn 2 3)
17:43 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: #s(prefab-posn 2 3)
17:43 stamourv: (match (make-prefab-posn 2 3) [(prefab-posn x y) (format "x = ~a, y = ~a" x y)])
17:43 stamourv: err
17:44 stamourv: rudybot: (match (make-prefab-posn 2 3) [(prefab-posn x y) (format "x = ~a, y = ~a" x y)])= ~a" x y)])
17:44 rudybot: stamourv: (match (make-prefab-posn 2 3) [(prefab-posn x y) (format "x = ~a, y = ~a" x y)])
17:44 stamourv: hmm
17:44 stamourv: rudybot: (match (make-prefab-posn 2 3) [(prefab-posn x y) (format "x = ~a, y = ~a" x y)])
17:44 rudybot: stamourv: (match (make-prefab-posn 2 3) [(prefab-posn x y) (format "x = ~a, y = ~a" x y)])
17:44 stamourv: rudybot: eval (match (make-prefab-posn 2 3) [(prefab-posn x y) (format "x = ~a, y = ~a" x y)])
17:44 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: "x = 2, y = 3"
17:44 stamourv: rudybot: Thank you.
17:44 rudybot: stamourv: thank you
17:45 dlob: cool! thanks stamourv and samth. i'll give that a try.
17:45 stamourv: rudybot: (require racket/serialize)
17:45 rudybot: stamourv: Done.
17:45 dlob: i guess the confusion i have with #:prefab structs is why you *wouldn't* use them.
17:45 stamourv: rudybot: (serialize (make-prefab-posn 2 3))
17:45 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: ((3) 0 () 0 () () (f prefab-posn 2 3))
17:45 dlob: i guess if you want opacity
17:46 stamourv: Or generative structs.
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17:50 asumu: Also, with prefabs anyone can come up with their own accessors.
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17:50 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Allow `#:opaque` and `#:struct` in `require/typed`. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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17:50 asumu: Even with a #:transparent struct, you can control how you export the accessors.
17:50 asumu: Or attach contracts to them, etc.
17:50 samth: asumu: no, you really can't -- once you expose an instance, you get the accessors
17:50 asumu: Oh, with struct-info?
17:51 samth: right
17:51 asumu: (in which case, even less reason to not use prefabs...)
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23:11 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Add examples for tabular in scribble reference - Asumu Takikawa
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23:13 asumu: perrth: is there any reason you can't use the pre-built Windows binary?
23:14 asumu: Oh, you want to link it differently.
23:14 asumu: You may want to ask on the mailing list.
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23:26 asumu: Hmm, does Scribble not have a way to typeset tables with lines separating rows?
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