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01:58 raphie: is there a simple way to map over multiple lists and using a proc combine them into one?
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01:58 raphie: for example (foo cons (list 1 2 3) (list 4 5 6)) would produce (list (list 1 4) (list 2 5) (list 3 6))
02:00 jonrafkind: map
02:00 jonrafkind: (map list (list 1 2 3) (list 4 5 6))
02:01 jonrafkind: if you give map multiple list arguments it will iterate through each list in parallel and call the function with those args
02:01 raphie: well I feel dumb
02:01 raphie: thanks though
02:02 raphie: does fold work the same way?
02:03 raphie: nvm, checked the docs, it works!
02:04 neilv: that "(define ...)" control in drracket... should that be changed to use the online check syntax info?
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08:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] scribble: make `linebreak' work more for Latex/PDF rendering - Matthew Flatt
08:52 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix `in-directory' - Matthew Flatt
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09:23 Thelas: How can I make a racket servlet host files such as css files so that the HTML I produce can reference them with relative paths? I've tried making subfolders inside htdocs, but that doesn't seem to work.
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11:17 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] linebreaking adjustments for typographical reasons - Robby Findler
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11:41 JoelMcCracken: someone should build a hackity hack-like system for racket
11:41 JoelMcCracken: that is all =)
11:49 asumu: JoelMcCracken: what's that?
11:49 asumu: Is that some kind of IDE?
11:49 JoelMcCracken: http://hackety.com/
11:50 JoelMcCracken: its a comple ide + tutorial + online code sharing platform
11:50 JoelMcCracken: aimed at beginners
11:50 asumu: If DrRacket came with a tutorial, it seems like it would fulfill most of that.
11:50 JoelMcCracken: (in ruby)
11:50 asumu: (and if you count the docs, it does)
11:50 JoelMcCracken: Agreed
11:50 JoelMcCracken: so, possibly, its a marketing issue?
11:51 asumu: Fair enough. Feel free to suggest it on the mailing list. Might spark an interesting discussion.
11:51 JoelMcCracken: sure. I'd be willing to work on it. I know the maintainer of hackity hack pretty well. Racket is a really awesome system, and I wish I had more of a reason to use it often
11:52 JoelMcCracken: purely selfishly, this would be a good excuse to start
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12:00 samth: JoelMcCracken: see http://wescheme.org
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12:00 JoelMcCracken: ah, cool
12:01 JoelMcCracken: I forgot about this
12:01 JoelMcCracken: yeah, I'll dig into this
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14:42 carleastlund: asumu and stamourv, the docs for define-generics say there must be an argument that is free-identifier=? to the generic name for the receiver.  Shouldn't this be bound-identifier=?, since at the time the macro is parsed, the name of the generic has not been bound yet?
14:46 stamourv: carleastlund: I think a better solution would be to avoid either, and give a more intuitive explanation ("the same", or something).
14:47 stamourv: Would not be as precise, but would be less daunting.
14:47 carleastlund: stamourv: Um, no thanks for imprecision.  It should say something like "the same (as in foo-identifier=?)" because if I'm writing a macro, I need to know.  But I'm not asking about clarify.  I'm saying, I think you're wrong, do you agree?
14:47 carleastlund: clariTy*
14:48 carleastlund: (I think the docs are wrong, that is)
14:48 carleastlund: (Er, the design _in_ the docs is wrong.)
14:48 carleastlund: Let's just pretend I know how to say what I'm trying to say, and move on from there.
14:50 stamourv: The implementation uses `free-identifier=?'.
14:50 stamourv: Whether that's the right one to use, I'm not sure.
14:51 carleastlund: Okay.  Well, then I'll tell you: I'm pretty sure it's not.  :)
14:51 stamourv: IIRC, that's in the part that eli wrote.
14:51 stamourv: Ok, asumu and calvis are hacking on generics right now, so I'll tell them.
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15:16 SamB_MacG5: so, that help in the upper-right corner of DrRacket -- where exactly does it come from?
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15:19 carleastlund: Leprechauns.
15:20 carleastlund: But more seriously -- what exactly are you asking?
15:20 carleastlund: Like whether it's online or not, or something else?
15:21 carleastlund: (^^ SamB_MacG5)
15:21 SamB_MacG5: Was wondering what it takes to add more
15:22 carleastlund: Ah.  It's part of the Racket distribution, all written in Scribble.  We're open to pull requests if you want to contribute some.
15:23 SamB_MacG5: hmm, sounds a bit more complicated than adding docstrings to Emacs Lisp code ...
15:24 carleastlund: Yep, we get a little fancier than that with our documentation.
15:25 SamB_MacG5: Well, I was thinking more about the "where do I put the documentation" aspect
15:25 SamB_MacG5: then the formatting of the documentation
15:25 SamB_MacG5: er. than
15:26 carleastlund: Ah.  Well, it's generally not that hard to find the documentation, our scribblings collection is reasonably well laid out.
15:26 SamB_MacG5: for example, say I wanted to document stuff in setup/scribble
15:31 SamB_MacG5 also wonders why geiser's autodoc system keeps getting distracted by special forms...
15:33 carleastlund: Oh, I see, stuff that isn't documented at all.  I dunno, depends on what part of the documentation it should be in.
15:34 carleastlund: So first you'll have to decide if you want to write Reference or Guide, then what chapter you'd put it in, etc.
15:34 carleastlund: So yeah, not as easy as docstrings, I'll admit that :)
15:35 SamB_MacG5: well, it looks like nearby modules are documented in sections within raco/setup
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15:36 SamB_MacG5: and I'm not even sure this should be "documented" documented
15:36 SamB_MacG5: I mean, it looks rather internal
15:36 SamB_MacG5: well, on the other hand, there are only three exports ...
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17:06 SamB_MacG5: eli: what's the copyright on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10676099/racket-flymake-mode-for-emacs/10686097#10686097 ?
17:06 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/7mc5fn2
17:08 samth: SamB_MacG5: as SO says:  user contributions licensed under cc-wiki with attribution required
17:08 samth: see the bottom of every page
17:08 SamB_MacG5: samth: that's not a good code license, I'm assuming he offers others ;-)
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17:09 samth: i also think that snippet is too small to be copyrighted
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17:09 SamB_MacG5: could be
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17:14 eli: SamB_MacG5: "WTFPL"?
17:15 SamB_MacG5: works for me
17:15 eli: More seriously, if you want to make something out of it, I'm happy to help and to put some real license on it if you want to.
17:15 eli: There's some changes that should happen to it due to the different error format in v5.3, in order to have something that works.
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17:16 SamB_MacG5: and it'd also be good to make the path to racket(1) customizable ...
17:17 SamB_MacG5: hmm, what's a good way to get an error message?
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17:20 SamB_MacG5: eli: or did you mean there would be a need for additional flags to racket(1)?
17:23 SamB_MacG5 made a file with unbalanced parens
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17:23 eli: SamB_MacG5: Just run anything in 5.3 that throws a syntax error -- the text will have multiple lines in it, which is not like in pre 5.3, when I hacked that code.
17:24 SamB_MacG5: eli: mmmhmm
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17:41 SamB_MacG5: eli: does flymake really need to show anything beyond the first line, though?
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17:54 SamB_MacG5 wonders stuff in ~/hacking/racket/doc keeps trying to send him to ~/Library/Racket/5.3.0.24/doc
17:54 SamB_MacG5: +why
17:57 stamourv: Executables from Racket/5.3.0.24/bin point to documentation from the same version.
17:58 stamourv: Are you updating the docs?
17:58 stamourv: s/updating/editing/
17:58 SamB_MacG5: there are no executables there!
17:59 stamourv: Where is your Racket installed?
17:59 SamB_MacG5: what is this "installed" thing?
18:01 stamourv: Where is your Racket located?
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18:02 SamB_MacG5: in ~/hacking/racket
18:04 SamB_MacG5 just did a git clone, then followed the instructions in the README files
18:04 stamourv: Ok, and what stuff points you to racket/5.3... ?
18:04 SamB_MacG5: the search link, mostly
18:05 SamB_MacG5: also the top-level index
18:05 stamourv: Ok, that's odd.
18:05 stamourv: Did you configure with a prefix?
18:05 SamB_MacG5: it might be because I accidentally ran bin/raco setup at some point ...
18:05 SamB_MacG5: but no, no prefix
18:06 stamourv: Which `raco' was that?
18:06 stamourv: The one in "~hacking/..."?
18:06 SamB_MacG5: must be
18:07 SamB_MacG5: the only other one that could have gotten anywhere near PATH was for Racket 5.2
18:07 stamourv: And are there docs in racket/5.3.../docs ?
18:07 SamB_MacG5: well, there were some at some point
18:07 SamB_MacG5: but then I had to go and delete them ....
18:08 stamourv: What happens if your run raco setup again?
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18:22 SamB_MacG5: well, it started by building things I've allowed to go stale (mostly documents, based on the tiny amount of time it took on the compilation step)
18:23 danl-ndi: so, I launch the racket listener with a certain command line:  Racket -X <collects-dir-1> -S <collects-dir-2 -l dc -m
18:23 danl-ndi: actually:   Racket -X <collects-dir-1> -S <collects-dir-2> -l dc -m
18:23 danl-ndi: can anyone tell me how to do the same basic thing in DrRacket?
18:23 SamB_MacG5: how come you use an upper-case R?
18:23 danl-ndi: It's on windows...
18:23 danl-ndi: (and unnecessary)
18:24 SamB_MacG5 is on OS X, which is somewhat case-insensitive too, but bash doesn't know that, and he usually forgets too...
18:24 stamourv: SamB_MacG5: Does it fix the problem?
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18:25 SamB_MacG5: stamourv: it didn't finish yet, partly because I aborted it and started a "make install" to attempt to cut down on wasted building ...
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18:26 SamB_MacG5: (not sure how much difference it actually makes ...)
18:27 stamourv: SamB_MacG5: make install calls raco setup.
18:28 stamourv: So there shouldn't be much difference.
18:28 SamB_MacG5: stamourv: yes, but it uses somewhat different options
18:29 SamB_MacG5: the precise effects of which I don't yet know
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18:33 SamB_MacG5: oh!
18:33 SamB_MacG5: I probably need to look at scribblings/main/start.scrbl and friends ...
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21:32 SamB_MacG5 was at the library talking about a book ...
21:32 SamB_MacG5: anyway, now I'm thinking it's a cookie ...
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22:13 SamB_MacG5: yup, cookie
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22:18 SamB_MacG5: ideally, the code would check whether or not the directory was still there ... but to do that, I think it would need a specially prepared script which it could attempt to load?
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23:04 dal: i'm trying to serialize/deserialize a struct and when i deserialize, i'm receiving a dynamic-require error saying "dynamic-require: unknown module: '#%embedded:g1612:create"
23:04 dal: and i can't for the life of me figure out why
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23:06 dal: anyone have any idea why that would be?
23:06 offby1: nuh-uh
23:06 offby1: oh, wait, I know: it's a bug.
23:06 offby1: :-(
23:06 offby1: glad to be of service.  Next!
23:07 dal: that's not very helpful
23:07 dal: i'm happy to provide more information if that's what you're looking for
23:08 neilv: dal: when #racket doesn't have an immediate answer, users@ email list is usually the way to go
23:08 dal: thanks neilv, i'll give that a try
23:12 neilv: each of these buttons calls a js function, which makes an ajax request, which is handled by a racket servlet, which relays a request over tcp to vlc, and then return result in reverse... http://i.imgur.com/jrN6V.png
23:13 neilv: this is why your dvd player needs at least 256MB ram, 1GHz cpu, and a few gigs of disk
23:13 neilv: plus you need a few-hundred dollar smartphone that can run a browser with umpteen layers of complexity
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23:20 offby1: oh indeed
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23:37 SamB_MacG5: neilv: and here I thought the gigs of disk was for the movie!
23:37 offby1: Yoga doesn't need gigabytes!
23:37 offby1: Yoga fits comfortably into kilobytes.
23:37 SamB_MacG5: oh, wait, that's disc
23:38 SamB_MacG5: sorry ;-P
23:38 offby1: neilv: you've got both a WiFi icon, and an "airplane mode" icon, in that image.  Weird.
23:38 neilv: i am considering making rackout able to cache the dvd to disc, but that's a low-priority feature, and have to look at any legal issues
23:39 offby1 still reads "rackout" as "peace out"
23:39 offby1: or maybe "ragout", if I'm hungry
23:39 neilv: offby1: turning on airplane mode turns off both radios, but you can then turn wifi on without 3g coming on
23:40 SamB_MacG5 was referring to the DVD
23:40 offby1: neilv: when I do that, the airplane icon goes away.
23:40 offby1: It's very frustrating how android varies greatly from one device to another.
23:40 neilv: offby1: cyanogenmod. i also saw it in the cognition firmware
23:43 offby1: ah
23:43 offby1: those guys are all about options
23:44 offby1: I played with cyanogenmod a couple times ... worked surprisingly well.  I ditched it, though, because I feared that I would never get automatic upgrades.  (That may have been true at the time, but I hear they've got their own mechanism for auto-upgrades now)
23:44 asumu: offby1: I have an android TV, which annoyingly can't run a bunch of tablet/phone apps.
23:44 offby1: suck - er
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23:44 offby1: I wouldn't even buy a Kindle
23:44 neilv: rackout will be racket tv
23:45 neilv: it will be in planet, but i'm also going to make a livecd and liveusb distro
23:45 offby1: you watch the Matthias channel while I check out Shriram TV
23:47 neilv: main goal for racket is that i tried literally a dozen different media center distros, and they were all broken on my hardware in one way or another
23:47 neilv: the other main goal is to demo some things, like mobile web apps, in racket
23:52 offby1: I see you, baby ... scratchin' that itch ... scratchin' that itch ... scratchin' that itch ...
23:52 SamB_MacG5 has an NTSC TV, which can't get TV, but is good enough to play Super Smash Brothers and watch DVDs and so on, and is there even anything on?
23:53 offby1: 57 channels and nothin' on
23:53 neilv: the order in which things will get implemented for rackout is my own priority: (1) play dvds borrowed from library; (2) play music ogg files; (3) rip cds to ogg
23:54 neilv: while most people want piracy and youtube
23:55 SamB_MacG5: I think there are some gratis movies available for torrent, somewhere ...