00:14 asumu: dyoo: the thing about for/sequence... what kind of sequence should it produce?
00:14 asumu: (lots of things are sequence?)
00:14 dyoo: I guess I'd like to see the same kind of sequence as that produced by sequence-map
00:14 dyoo: It produces things lazily, right?
00:15 asumu: Yeah, it does.
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00:21 dyoo: So yes, that sort of thing.  :)  Python provides "generator expressions", and for/seq is meant to be analogous
00:26 dyoo: I wanted to be able to express it in terms of streams.  I looked at for/and and for/or, expecting to see that they'd have fine-grained control.  But I see that they're implemented with stop-after, so I don't think I can do it without capturing control with generators.
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00:36 welandB: I'm writing a recursive implementation of the "member" function to check for a symbol's presence in nested lists.
00:37 welandB: I can't seem to properly return #f if it's exhausted without success.
00:38 welandB: It simply evaluates the recursed call as #t every time.
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00:52 welandB: Nevermind, figured it out.
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13:51 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] syntax/parse/experimental/template: quasitemplate, template/loc - Ryan Culpepper
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13:56 asumu: Quasitemplates, nice!
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14:22 acarrico: Wouldn't it be nice if with-syntax had a defining form ... and it does!  define/with-syntax
14:24 acarrico: Re Quasitemplates, I really should learn syntax-parse.
14:25 asumu: acarrico: Yes. :)
14:26 acarrico: so much racket, so little time.
14:26 asumu: That's true. I discover new things all the time too.
14:28 acarrico: There was a "Code Camp" up here (Burlington VT area) this past weekend. The only one I ran into who had heard of Racket was the guy who did a Clojure talk.
14:28 asumu: Yeah, it doesn't have as much mindshare as I'd like. But maybe that will change a little bit tomorrow when Matthew Flatt talks at Strangeloop.
14:29 asumu: Also, Racketcon is in a few weeks in Boston.
14:29 acarrico: But I also found out there is a new  interest group for functional programming: @VTFun up here, and so the functional programmers are starting to unite, we'll see where that goes.
14:33 acarrico: thumbs up for MF at Strageloop and Racketcon, I wish I could get away for Racketcon. Before kids it would have been a no brainer.
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14:38 Fare: MF ?
14:39 Fare: oh, Matthew Flatt
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14:44 asumu: Fare: yeah it's confusing to have two MFs.
14:45 Fare: I assume you mean Matthias Felleisen
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14:47 acarrico1: https://thestrangeloop.com/sessions/the-racket-way
14:47 acarrico1: That should clear it up
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15:01 em: Mathew Flatt is basically a fucking cool dude.
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15:07 asumu: From Twitter, it looks like the miniKanren talk today by Friedman and Byrd was a hit. Neat.
15:07 asumu: (at Strangeloop, that is)
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15:08 Cryovat: Silly question, what is Strangeloop?
15:08 Cryovat: https://thestrangeloop.com/
15:08 Cryovat: This thing?
15:09 asumu: Yeah, it's a programming conference for developers.
15:09 asumu: AFAIK.
15:09 Cryovat: That sounds fun :)
15:09 Cryovat: You didn't tag along?
15:10 asumu: Nah. I didn't find out that Matthew's even giving a talk there until a few weeks ago.
15:11 Cryovat: Ah
15:11 Cryovat: It would be very cool if there was a video
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15:13 Cryovat: Taking a peek at the miniKanren source code
15:13 Cryovat: It's impressive to see it all implemented in about 250 lines of code
15:14 asumu: They publish StrangeLoop videos, but some time after the conference IIRC.
15:14 asumu: Probably to incentivize people to go. Also I'm sure editing takes some time.
15:15 Cryovat: I hope I'll get to attend a conference like that someday
15:16 Cryovat: Though, I have a feeling I'd be out of my league
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15:18 acarrico: I you are interested, Friedman already has a miniKanren talk at Clojure Conj. Apparently someone in the Clojure community (David Nolen) has brought logic programming there, originally on a path to use it for generic (predicate, I guess) dispatch, which sounds pretty interesting, but I don't know too much about it.
15:18 acarrico: (that is to say, the talk is online).
15:18 asumu: I think their library is called core.logic or something like that.
15:18 acarrico: yup.
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15:20 Cryovat: http://blip.tv/clojure/david-nolen-predicate-dispatch-5953889
15:20 Cryovat: This one?
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15:20 acarrico: Probably, but also Dan Friedman has a talk at that conference.
15:20 acarrico: I assume similar to the Strange Loop one.
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15:21 acarrico: They show an interpreter in miniKanren, which is cool, (spoiler alert)  especially when he runs it backwards.
15:22 Cryovat: This guy has awesome hair
15:22 acarrico: David Nolen? Yes, and he seems very sharp.
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15:27 Cryovat: He just namedropped samth :D
15:29 Cryovat: As someone who doesn't know Clojure
15:29 Cryovat: Multimethod = case-lambda?
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15:31 samth: Cryovat: :)
15:32 samth: also, multi-methods are methods that pick the implementation based on *all* the arguments, not just the reciever
15:33 Cryovat: Ah, thanks :)
15:35 em: I hope that Matthew Flatt puts the slides of his talk online some where. I would like to know the Racket Way. Especially how "concepts are programming language constructs"
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15:50 acarrico: It isn't really a case-lambda, because the cases can be defined in different places. Think generic functions in Common Lisp.
15:51 Cryovat: I never really got that deep into Common Lisp when I touched it in university
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17:20 Cryovat: yoklov: Look on the bright side
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17:20 Cryovat: You learned something while looking into the reader extension :)
17:21 yoklov: heh, not really.
17:22 yoklov: i don't even remember why i wanted them, to be honest
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17:39 danl-ndi: is there a way of embedding Racket in a C++ program that doesn't involve hijacking main?
17:40 dyoo: danl-ndi: not sure; I haven't done embedding before.  Sounds like things need to run through scheme_main_setup to make the GC happy?
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17:45 neilv: i don't know of anyone doing embedding of racket anymore
17:45 neilv: i did it over 10 years ago. makes less sense now
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17:47 bremner: neilv: why so?
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17:49 neilv: few reasons: a lot more development moved to web sites/apps. racket is a lot bigger. most computers are a lot more powerful and have better operating systems that can handle ipc. multiple cores are commonplace and separating app and other racket is an easy way to spread across cpus.
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