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00:21 asumu: metajack: as I understand, geiser and quack are complementary and can be used together.
00:23 neilv: once i get a chance to play with geiser, i will update the quack page to say something about that
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01:27 neilv: web-server working with html-template and jquerymobile
01:27 neilv: this might be a nice setup for now
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01:52 Cryovat: jQuery mobile is pretty impressive
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01:53 lewis1711: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2011-February/044342.html interesting responses
01:54 lewis1711: also somewhat annoying responses
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02:00 neilv: they are the traditional responses when someone asks for homework help like that
02:02 jonrafkind: maybe that guy was writing a next generation search to kill google and that one problem was holding him back!
02:03 neilv: excellent. i'll send my consulting rate card
02:07 lewis1711: I find myself wanting to write a permutation function to solve an actual problem. so instead of seeing a racket implementation, I get some socratic answers on the mailing list. I search for the same problem in language x, I get code. Not trying to troll, just FWIW
02:09 neilv: it will help everyone out if you clarify that something that sounds like a homework problem is not actually a homework problem
02:10 neilv: before racket, this was a frequent thing in scheme for decades:students wanting homework answers
02:12 lewis1711: that's true
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02:17 lewis1711: the docs suggest (hash) should be mutable
02:17 lewis1711: rudybot: (define ht (hash))
02:17 rudybot: lewis1711: your sandbox is ready
02:17 rudybot: lewis1711: Done.
02:17 lewis1711: rudybot: (hash-set! ht 'one 1)
02:17 rudybot: lewis1711: error: hash-set!: expects type <mutable table> as 1st argument, given: '#hash(); other arguments were: 'one 1
02:17 lewis1711: oh, make-hash
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03:04 asumu: lewis1711: well, there's a permutation package on PLaneT if you want to solve a problem.
03:05 asumu: The problem is that it's a well-known HtDP exercise and one that's better to not spoil.
03:05 asumu: (and also the solution comes immediately if you follow the design recipe)
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03:23 lewis1711: so I just watched a video on design recipes. a contract, a statement, and some test cases? I do that all the time and still can't solve problems :)
03:23 lewis1711: (though I can solve more than I wouldwithout)
03:27 jonrafkind: keep practicing
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03:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.3.0.24. - Eli Barzilay
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06:12 lewis1711: http://pastebin.com/ksZYANwr given line 8, under what circumstances could the result set have an element that's a set of one element?
06:12 lewis1711: each element has to be created by (set p q)
06:12 lewis1711: how you can get a set of one element from (set p q)? :/
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08:43 mye: Is there a standard version of something like define-test https://gist.github.com/2003201  included in racket-dev oder in development?
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09:57 yw0: hello
09:57 yw0: What's the right way to transfer Racket objects though Unix text pipeline? I tried write->read, but it doesn't seem to produce the same values back..
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10:10 jrslepak: do you have an example?
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11:02 asumu: Does our documentation contain a section explaining how to read doc contracts? (if I want to point someone to it)
11:03 asumu: yw0: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/serialization.html
11:03 ianjneu: like the ad-hoc "... ..." you see sometimes?
11:04 ianjneu: e.g. hash-set*
11:04 asumu: ianjneu: or in general, what a contract thing even means. How to read optional, keyword arguments. etc.
11:04 asumu: A meta-guide if you will.
11:05 ianjneu: It was all intuitive to me, why would we need such a thing (says the PL PhD student)
11:06 asumu: I don't need one myself, but I imagine people who haven't done FP might be confused.
11:06 asumu: Also the ... ... thing is confusing.
11:06 ianjneu: No, I know. I was just being snarky.
11:07 jrslepak: if nothing else, plenty of CS2500 students would find it useful
11:07 ianjneu: Ya, the ... ... syntax is entirely by documentation. Just goes to show how alternating arbitrary arguments is pretty terrible.
11:08 ianjneu: Luckily fundies students never need such documented functions
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11:10 chandler: Heh, the ... ... thing would be an interesting extension to syntax-rules/syntax-case.
11:13 chandler: Except a syntactic version of something like `hash-set*' would probably group the keys and values together. Maybe this really suggests that some kind of multidimensional rest-argument thing is needed?
11:18 gwh: ianjneu: Actually I find it refreshing to write simply (hash 'a 1 'b 2) instead of the alist style (['a . 1]['b . 2]). I'm coming to appreciate the Clojure way in that regard. Of course Clojure uses , as optional whitespace, but often I'm line-breaking the pairs anyway.
11:22 gwh: Granted that makes it more awkward to define such a function. In that vein, weird timing, yesterday I was just trying the new racket/generic to define an 'in-take-list' sequence. So for something that treats the list as couples, you can just write (for ([(k v) (in-take-list xs 2)]) #| use k and v #|).
11:23 gwh: Plus in-take-list takes an optional 3rd arg `fill', called if the list turns out not to be a multiple of the take-size. By default this raises an exception. But it can be something that supplies default values.
11:26 gwh: asumu: Thank you for racket/generic !
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11:29 ianjneu: gwh: I suppose it's not the alternating style I find annoying, because I like using it for statically specifying hashes. However, the lack of the other obvious function that takes a list of keys and a list of values makes programmatically constructing hashes annoying. I end up writing that function in every development of mine.
11:30 ianjneu: rewriting, I should say.
11:31 ianjneu: It's just a couple lines, but it's fundamental. Just like set-get or some better name should be provided for "take some arbitrary element of the set" (for/first ([a (in-set s)]) a)
11:32 ianjneu: Not an uncommon request.
11:32 asumu: gwh: you're welcome, and the credit is shared with stamourv, eli, and jeapostrophe.
11:35 jeapostrophe: go team
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13:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] win64: make JIT stack traces work - Matthew Flatt
13:21 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix error message - Matthew Flatt
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16:41 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] small cleanup - Robby Findler
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17:45 asumu: Did people know that Matthew is giving a talk at Strangeloop? https://thestrangeloop.com/sessions/the-racket-way
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17:50 stamourv: asumu: Cool!
17:50 stamourv: eli: That should go on the web site.
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19:02 SrPx: Is there a racket implementation in browsers?
19:02 jonrafkind: there is in fact, called wescheme I think
19:04 jonrafkind: http://www.wescheme.org/
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19:11 jonrafkind: <jonrafkind> there is in fact, called wescheme I think
19:11 jonrafkind: <jonrafkind> http://www.wescheme.org/
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19:21 SrPx: jonrafkind: thank you
19:22 SrPx: jonrafkind: it looks great for what I've seen
19:22 SrPx: I'm looking for something I can host, though
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19:25 jonrafkind: well i dont know a whole lot about it but I guess you can host it
19:25 SrPx: jonrafkind: ok thanks
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19:26 jonrafkind: you can email  Danny Yoo dyoo@hashcollision.org about it
19:27 entel: hello im using geiser-connect in emacs to connect to racket i started with geiser-racket; when i C-M-x an expression it works the first time but any others hang for a while then seemingly do nothing.. am i using geiser wrong or..?
19:53 entel: ok it seems to be when i call with-charterm from the charterm package, but im not sure why
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19:57 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/set: add `set-first' and `set-rest' - Matthew Flatt
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