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02:11 jyc: is there any way to limit raco setup to the current directory only?
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03:19 jyc: alright, sorted that problem out, but now I have another question - raco setup builds the html documentation, but how can I use the search feature? is there some built-in server for that?
03:19 mithos28: It should just work
03:19 mithos28: Does it not?
03:20 jyc: hm, maybe it has to do with being on windows
03:20 jyc: seems like the doc/search/index.html file isn't created
03:20 mithos28: I think the search is done entirely in JS
03:38 jyc: hm, so is there a reason my project would build a doc folder with `raco setup -l scrbl-test` but not a search directory?
03:39 mithos28: I always use 'raco setup -j 10', and everything gets built
03:39 mithos28: but I am working in the core system
03:40 mithos28: You might need to add it as a collection somehow, or as a planet development link
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03:42 jyc: hm, I will try again in linux - thanks for the help
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14:35 vkz: Hi. If I put the following in definitions area of DrRacket: #!r5rs
14:35 vkz: (* 5 6) and run the program no result appears in the interactions area. Is that a bug or a feature? If I choose R5RS from the language menu REPL works as expected. Can anyone comment pls?
14:40 neilv: i don't know. i could make a plausible argument for why it should be that way, but it might be an accident
14:41 neilv: you are sure you need to use r5rs and not the racket language, correct?
14:42 vkz: Also there's no way I can turn drracket into R6RS repl, is there?
14:42 mithos28: I bet it is because the r5rs language is not adding the print-values call around every module-level expression
14:43 mithos28: vkz: I don't think there is such thing as an r6rs repl
14:43 neilv: mithos28: yes, but the question is whether that's intended
14:44 neilv: vkz: if you have a good reason to use r5rs, like you are using drracket to develop for some funky embedded scheme or something, then use r5rs. but if you want to be using the "standard", i suggest just using racket
14:45 neilv: oops, gotta go
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14:45 mithos28: neilv: I doubt it, as most module languages keep that behaviour
14:49 close-paren: meh, i always use #!r5rs when i use racket, but that's just because I'm adicted to set-car!
14:49 close-paren: (kidding)
14:50 mithos28: close-paren: set-car! isn't nearly as bad as set-cdr!
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14:50 mithos28: 'oh, you thought this was a list? Not anymore.'
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15:02 soegaard: vkz: Should that be   #lang r5rs   instead of #!r5rs ?
15:03 soegaard: See http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/standards.html?q=r5rs#(part._r5rs)
15:03 mithos28: soegaard: I know that works for r6rs
15:03 soegaard: r5rs is different
15:04 mithos28: its an alias
15:04 mithos28: for #lang if it is followed by ascii letter/number,+,- or _
15:05 mithos28: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/reader.html?q=%23%21&q=r5rs#(part._parse-reader)
15:05 mithos28: end of that block
15:05 vkz: my IRC client works in mysterious ways. Sorry about that. I see your replies in logs but not in my client …
15:06 soegaard: hmm
15:07 vkz: have no need for r5rs specifically. Was actually looking for a scheme repl that'd support r6rs so I can work through Dybvig's texbook
15:07 soegaard: I can't remember but perhaps r5rs doesn't specify values to be displayed?
15:07 soegaard: Try (display (* 5 6)) instead.
15:08 mithos28: how does an r6rs repl work? Don't all forms have to be in a library form?
15:08 soegaard: Don't know.
15:11 mithos28: vkz: are you sure that Dybvig's book works with r6rs?
15:15 soegaard: mithos28: Yep : http://www.scheme.com/tspl4/libraries.html#./libraries:h0
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15:18 mithos28: soegaard: But that book doesn't talk about a repl or a read-eval-print-loop at all. At least not in the index
15:19 mithos28: so I'm not sure why vkz, needs a repl to use that version
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15:20 soegaard: You do have a point.
15:20 mithos28: except that the index is awful, and it does talk about repls
15:21 vkz: I need it to easily work through examples
15:21 vkz: just as I used one working through HTdP
15:21 mithos28: vkz: I may be wrong, but I don't think there is such a thing as an r6rs repl
15:22 mithos28: Everything is a library or a toplevel program
15:22 soegaard: At least not specified :-)
15:22 mithos28: and even a top level program needs to know all the forms before hand, so that macros work correctly
15:23 soegaard: Most examples in the book will work fine with #lang racket .
15:24 soegaard: Except the module related ones.
15:24 mithos28: except mutable lists
15:24 mithos28: and then use (require racket/mlist)
15:24 soegaard: Yes.
15:24 mithos28: sorry racket/mpair
15:26 mithos28: http://www.r6rs.org/final/r6rs-rationale.pdf, section 8
15:27 mithos28: no repl for r6rs, you might find implementations that make something close to what you would expect though
15:29 vkz: I see. Will just work with #lang racket. Thx!
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15:47 soegaard: Hmm. http://lmf-ramblings.blogspot.sg/2011/07/why-not-use-scheme-more.html
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15:49 close-paren: mithos28: very true
15:50 close-paren: but who says the cdr was a list in the first place?
15:51 mithos28: close-paren: Because you checked it
15:51 mithos28: try to implement map with mlists, and have the function you call on each element mutate the mlist
15:51 close-paren: what i really want is (become! o o2)
15:52 mithos28: how is that different than set!
15:53 mithos28: actually I have to leave, sorry to cut the discussion short
15:57 close-paren: oh, ok
15:57 close-paren: become!  would be smalltalk's become method
15:57 close-paren: it swaps object identity
15:59 close-paren: (let* ((a (list 1)) (b a)) (become! a (list 2)) b)  would eval to (2)
16:01 close-paren: I'm kidding of course. This operator gives me small nightmares. :-)
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18:15 asumu: close-paren: oh, it extends to aliases? Yeah, that's terrifying. I think also incompatible with the semantics of let*.
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18:51 close-paren: asumu: how incompatible?
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19:47 asumu: close-paren: let* is just a macro over lambda, and the parameters of a lambda expression copy on reference, not alias like boxes.
19:48 asumu: So this become! thing would only work if variables in Racket worked like boxes.
19:49 asumu: rudybot: (let* ([a (box 3)] [b a]) (set-box! a 5) b)
19:49 rudybot: asumu: ; Value: #&5
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19:49 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] improve the menu redundancy test so it reports when there are - Robby Findler
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19:50 close-paren: asumu: become! works on references
19:51 close-paren: given two references, it exchanges all occurances of those references in all contexts, including those that can't be named
19:51 close-paren: yes, that's really what the Smalltalk method become: is.
19:54 asumu: Yes, but 'b' here is a different reference from 'a' so it doesn't really make sense for the modification to 'a' to affect 'b' in Racket.
19:54 asumu: They don't actually alias. 'b' just contains the value that was stored in 'a' when the let* is evaluated.
19:55 asumu: So adding become! is quite a fundamental change. That's all I meant.
20:04 close-paren: agreed
20:05 close-paren: I'm pretty sure, in the presence of continuations, that it changes literally *everything*. e.g. (become! #t #f) would be a bad idea.
20:06 close-paren: but c,
20:07 close-paren: but you must grant that if you have become! , you can leave out set-car! etc
20:08 close-paren: (define (set-car! pair newcar) (become! pair (cons newcar (cdr pair))))
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20:32 lewis1711: is there a way to import procedures from a module in a qualified way? like say I had some list module with "map" and didn't want it to clash wtih map from a vector module. or should I just prefix procedures with their module names?
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20:37 offby1: lewis1711: you can prefix them any way you like.
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20:38 offby1: (require (prefix-in db: db)) e.g.
20:38 offby1: or just as valid:
20:38 offby1: (require (prefix-in fred-loves-cinfy: db)) e.g.
20:38 offby1: er, s/cinfy/cindy/, of course.
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20:41 lewis1711: offby1: so that prefixes everything in db with db?
20:41 offby1: yep
20:41 offby1: Try It And See™.
20:41 offby1: it's meant to solve (what I am pretty sure is) your problem.
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23:25 kampr: Just curious.. how could I rewrite the following using a for loop?  (foldl + 0 (map (lambda (x) (* x x)) '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)))
23:25 jonrafkind: (for/fold ([sum 0]) ([number '(1 2 3 ...)]) (+ sum number))
23:25 jonrafkind: oh wait *x x
23:26 jonrafkind: (for/fold ([sum 0]) ([number '(1 2 3 ...)]) (+ sum (* number number)))