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03:54 lewis1711: why is there no for/sequence?
04:02 Shambles_1: lewis1711: "for" says it accepts a sequence: http://doc.racket-lang.org/reference/for.html?q=iteration#%28part._.Iteration_and_.Comprehension_.Forms%29
04:02 rudybot_: http://tinyurl.com/cog5syb
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04:05 lewis1711: Shambles_: true, it's an iterator though not a comprehension
04:05 lewis1711: suppose it would return a stream
04:05 lewis1711: if a for/sequence did exist
04:06 Shambles_: lewis1711: I'm not completely sure what problem you're having, but there's lots of ways to process lists and vectors and the like.  A lot of people use recursion to do that rather than a special form.
04:07 lewis1711: set comprehensions :) yeah there's other ways to do it I know
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04:07 lewis1711: oh wait it does exist
04:08 lewis1711: I'm sure I looked half an hour ago and there was no for/set
04:10 Shambles_: "map" might be what you want instead of some for-form?
04:10 Shambles_: Yes, there are sets and generators.  They just aren't, for some reason, in the guide, only in the reference.
04:11 lewis1711: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/for.html I think what confused me is this mentions for/vector, for/hash, for/list etc etc but there was no for/set.
04:11 lewis1711: of course I could've just type dit
04:14 Shambles_: I guess it's okay to do it that way, I'm just not used to thinking of a set as necessarily having an order.  Then again, neither does a hashmap.
04:14 Nisstyre: if you don't care about the resulting order, then a comprehension of a set makes sense
04:15 Nisstyre: also you can always sort it after
04:16 Nisstyre: However when I think of a set comprehension I think of building a set from a list comprehension (or another sequence)
04:16 lewis1711: when I think of set comprehensions I think of mathematical set comprehensions
04:16 Nisstyre: lewis1711: that's basically what I meant
04:17 lewis1711: and yeah I wouldn't use a set for something I cared about the order of heh
04:18 Nisstyre: I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) mathematical sets have to be "orderable" (not necessarily ordered), right?
04:19 lewis1711: not that I am aware. but I am not that good at math:)
04:19 Shambles_: My comment about the "order" referred to "sequence" ("A sequence encapsulates an ordered collection of values."), though the sequence page includes things like hash tables and sets.  Apparently it works, I'm just not used to thinking of it that way.  I came from a language where this would not work directly (but casting to a list first would).
04:19 lewis1711: yeah actually it is odd for set to be a "subtype" of sequence
04:19 Nisstyre: "The well-ordering theorem, which is equivalent to the axiom of choice, states that every set can be well-ordered"
04:20 Nisstyre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well-order
04:20 Nisstyre: that means something different from what you'd consider an ordered set in a programming language I guess
04:20 lewis1711: I suppose one could define one of these well-orders on any set
04:20 Nisstyre: it means that you can order the set if you want
04:21 Nisstyre: now I've gone way off topic though
04:22 Shambles_: Sets (or hash tables) are usually used to avoid creating duplicates, or ask questions like "is this character in this set of characters" tersely, at least where I've seen.  Neither implies anything about order, but you can convert to some ordered type, like a list, and then sort, in most languages.
04:23 Nisstyre: yep
04:23 Nisstyre: and some libraries have "ordered sets" which preserve their order after being created
04:23 lewis1711: yes, java has that. then again java has an absurd amount of collections
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04:37 lewis1711: I really should get round to doing 2d vector functions tommorow instead of just using hashtables
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05:50 ambrosebs: I'm trying to work out how Typed Racket's type-case/filter-case/object-case works. Really hard to follow the implementation.
05:54 ambrosebs: Any hints?
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07:23 neilv: ;;   break before 2nd child #(nil REMAINING SIZE) after special identifier in
07:23 neilv: ;;   parens, not seen first special arg, REMAINING special args remaining,
07:23 neilv: ;;   indent SIZE if there is a line break before first special arg [TODO: !!!
07:23 neilv: ;;   Holy crap, this isn't even grammatical.  What was I saying here?]
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07:35 neilv: i almost never need first-class continuations in racket, and when i do need them, i'm coding in emacs lisp instead
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08:06 Haffe: Is there a way to delete widgets that have a specific frame as a parent?
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08:09 Haffe: Ok.
08:09 Haffe: change-children.
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08:12 Cryovat: *joke
08:16 Haffe: :)
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08:25 eli: neilv: You can ask gabot to slap yourself...
08:26 bremner: gabot: slap yourself
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08:29 neilv: elisp max stack depth can be adjusted dynamically, and defaults to around 400. maybe i will just do a complete recursive descent parser pass of the entire racket file, rather than implement a complicated stack machine just for indenting
08:33 neilv: every time i resume work on meow.el, a client has an urgent situation, and i stop work in the middle of some code refactoring
08:33 neilv: i might as well just start over with only the tokenizer
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09:31 Haffe: In RACKET, is there an equivalent to the python commando dir?
09:31 Haffe: I.e. list all member functions of a given instance.
09:32 noelw: You can mess around with namespaces to get such a list, but it isn't as straightforward
09:38 Haffe: What is this?
09:38 Haffe: I can create new list-boxes a-ok.
09:38 Haffe: Oh wait.
09:38 Haffe: Now I get it.
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10:11 Haffe: Have to recall what send does.
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10:30 eli: Haffe: (interface->method-names (object-interface x)) is close; but probably not like python's pile of hacks.
10:30 Haffe: :)
10:31 Haffe: Hmmm.
10:31 Haffe: One more question.
10:31 Haffe: In the gui widget library.
10:32 Haffe: Is the list-box suposed to allow multiple selections?
10:32 eli: IIRC, there's a style for that.
10:33 eli: Yeah, 'multiple or 'extended
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10:36 Haffe: Yeah.
10:36 Haffe: Just found it.
10:43 Haffe: Hmmm.
10:44 Haffe: Making screenshots for the widgets in the racket gui is hard work.
10:44 Haffe: Maybe it is less work to just write a parser for the documentation.
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11:13 asumu: This is the closest I got: https://gist.github.com/2936908
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11:52 Haffe: asumu: Did I talkt to you yesterday about a guide to the gui?
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11:54 asumu: Haffe: yes.
11:54 asumu: (you mentioned you were working on one)
11:55 Haffe: I got a rough draft up today.
11:55 Haffe: Did you want to look at it?
11:55 asumu: Nice! Sure.
11:59 Haffe: asumu: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fbsrxq16a6degbq/GUIGuide.pdf Does this work for you?
12:00 stamourv: Haffe: Mind if I have a look too?
12:00 asumu: Yeah, works for me.
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12:06 Haffe: stamourv: Shure.
12:08 stamourv: Haffe: You may want to check out Scribble.
12:08 stamourv: That's what we use to write Racket documentation.
12:08 stamourv: It formats Racket code very nicely, add hyperlinks to the docs, etc.
12:08 stamourv: It can generate html and pdf.
12:09 Haffe: Hmmm.
12:09 Haffe: Will do.
12:09 stamourv: Danny Yoo's been using it for his tutorials.
12:09 stamourv: Scribble also makes it easy to show the evaluation of examples in the text.
12:11 stamourv: Haffe: Small typo in the title of 3.2.5: "fiedl" -> "field".
12:12 Haffe: Thanks.
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16:37 offby1: asumu: kinda looks like "no" -- I looked for "vim" in "aptitude" (on recent ubuntu) and saw references to perl, python, and ruby; but not racket
16:37 asumu: Yeah, that was my guess too. Someone on SO wanted to know how to use the vim scripting interface, but I can't really test it now.
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