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01:28 neilv: instead of the name "rackonsole", what about "rackon"?
01:28 neilv: rock on with rackon
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03:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Add empty case for with-contract's clause for free variable contracts. - Stevie Strickland
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03:33 tim-brown: I often use quasiquotes as "constants" in my code.
03:34 tim-brown: Should there be any performance cost to using `(a b c) vs. '(a b c)?
03:39 neilv: i would think that the compiler generates the same code for both
03:39 neilv: someone made a disassembler. samth, i think
03:40 neilv: https://github.com/samth/disassemble
03:40 tim-brown: I like to keep my options open, in case I want to unquote - just checking that my laziness isn't costing me.
03:41 neilv: i really don't think it's costing you
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03:52 tim-brown: Does local around an inner define make any difference to it's bindings?
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04:00 marianoguerra: hi, general scheme question, didn't know where to ask :)
04:01 marianoguerra: can it be said that (op a b c d) is equivalent to (op d (op c (op a b)) for every of operator and for every type?
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04:01 marianoguerra: I'm buildint a toy scheme and I want to know if I can implement operators as functions of arity two that associate from left to right
04:04 neilv: yes.  you will probably want to do that in your reader, and have your reader convert it to normal sexps
04:06 marianoguerra: neilv: thanks
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04:41 Aethaeryn: Has anyone done a #lang r7rs yet?
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04:50 MightyFoo: rudyboy: (let ((a 3) (b 7) (c 11) (d 13) (op /)) (values (op a b c d) (op d (op c (op a b)))))
04:51 MightyFoo: rudybot: (let ((a 3) (b 7) (c 11) (d 13) (op /)) (values (op a b c d) (op d (op c (op a b)))))
04:51 rudybot: MightyFoo: your sandbox is ready
04:51 rudybot: MightyFoo: ; Value: 3/1001
04:51 rudybot: MightyFoo: ; Value#2: 39/77
04:52 MightyFoo: neilv: thanks for the pointer to the JIT disassembler
04:53 MightyFoo: is there a bytecode disassembler also?
04:53 (nick) MightyFoo -> tim-brown
04:54 neilv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/raco/decompile.html
04:54 tim-brown: that'll let me know what i can run in a future, won't it?
04:55 neilv: i don't know. i haven't yet used futures
04:55 neilv: there's probably a joke there
04:55 tim-brown: fairy nuff
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06:04 tim-brown: are there any interesting websites out there implemented in racket / whalesong etc.?
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06:52 veer: is it possible to insert new menu between two other menu in a menu bar  ?
06:58 tim-brown: veer: is this as part of setting up your UI? or will you be doing this while the user is watching?
06:59 tim-brown: personally i'd recommend against changing the order of menu bars
07:01 veer: actually I wanted to insert a menu  in DrRacket for my plugin , but cant seem to figure how to do it?
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07:04 lamefun2: why doesn't racket provide means to verify download?
07:04 veer: also can't figure how to do it in normal frame as in racket/gui
07:04 lamefun2: and provides different source packages for Windows and Unix?
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10:03 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Rackety (Matthew already broke the dependency that this commit was going to do) - Robby Findler
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10:40 Shambles_: neilv: if they name it "rackon", then someone will make a "rackoff", and a "the racker", for teh lulz.
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11:21 adu: Aethaeryn: I tried
11:22 adu: to write a #lang r7rs
11:22 adu: but it was not good
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12:32 ozzloy: how do you send stuff to a tcp socket? http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/tcp.html?q=tcp&q=tcp&q=number%3F i don't see "tcp-send" or something similar
12:35 nilyaK: tcp-connect returns an out port, you print things to that port like any other, I used fprintf last time I did it messing with IRC, and then I did have to flush the buffer when I wanted to send things to make sure
12:36 ozzloy: aw dang.  i just read through it and was about to tell people to ignore me
12:37 ozzloy: nilyaK, thanks
12:37 nilyaK: <3 np
12:39 ozzloy: whoa, hey now, i don't know about "<3".  let's take things slow for now, ok?  i mean i like you.  i'm just not sure if i <3 u
12:40 nilyaK: :(
12:40 nilyaK: It's okay, I'm going after batman anyway, I hear he's single now. Unless you're also batman in which case I'm not sure why you are worrying about this stuff.
12:41 ozzloy: lulz, hey sometimes batman writes tcp communications tests, ok?
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12:55 asumu: No, he has Lucius Fox do it for him.
12:55 asumu: ;)
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14:14 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Changing decode-string so it avoids allocation and interns the individual string components. - Danny Yoo
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18:23 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] hashes scribblized, preliminary; SK may wish to add more examples - Matthias Felleisen
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19:31 neilv: hah. i neglected to snuggle a close-paren in a scribble "RACKETBLOCK", and it snuggled it for me
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20:57 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] this is not the final word, see todo in provide-and-scribble; Closes PR 10498 - Matthias Felleisen
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22:32 DrDuck1: Hi there.
22:42 asumu: Hi.
22:53 neilv: in case anyone is using charterm, i finally made a charterm a synchronizable event. version 2:5
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22:59 asumu: neilv: Neato. I've been meaning to use it, but haven't gotten around to it.
22:59 asumu: Might be a fun to write an IRC client using it.
22:59 asumu: s/a//
23:00 neilv: in 5-10 minutes, i'll release rackonsole, which will be useful for irc bots
23:00 asumu: (my ideal Racket IRC client uses scribble syntax to let you escape into Racket ;))
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23:02 neilv: hey, rudybot, @(bold (random-curses #:count 10)) !
23:04 offby1 plugs his ears
23:10 neilv: racket -W none -p neil/rackonsole/demo
23:11 offby1: hope that won't trash my disk and kill my cat
23:12 neilv: funny you shoudl mention that
23:12 offby1: man, rack setup sure is noisy
23:15 offby1: my God this is taking forever
23:15 neilv: it's the documentation formatting
23:15 offby1: it's computing all permutations of all the letters in the scribble docs
23:16 offby1: this is the worst thing about by far
23:16 offby1: s/about/about racket/
23:16 neilv: rackonsole pulls in charterm, gdbdump, and overeasy
23:16 offby1: I hope it doesn't break the yolks
23:16 offby1: hate it when that happens
23:17 neilv: it used to be that racket setup redid the documentation thing for each package that was installed, even if you were installing multiple ones at once due to dependencies. i think that was fixed a while ago, though
23:18 offby1: I suspect it's proofreading the Encyclopedia Britannica ... all the editions
23:18 offby1: oho!
23:18 offby1: Kernel panic, eh?  But you said it wouldn't kill my kittens!
23:18 offby1 waits for "printer is on fire"
23:19 offby1: ooh, new messages appear on the top.  Weird.
23:19 neilv: http://www.neilvandyke.org/rackonsole/
23:19 jamessan: lp0 is on fire  ;)
23:19 neilv: i should raid old fortune files
23:20 neilv: i briefly had "/earth is full. please delete anyone you can", but i didn't want to have to explain the literary origins of that one
23:23 offby1: pretty slick.
23:23 offby1: Where'd the gdbdump go?  Or wasn't there one really?
23:24 neilv: probably /var/tmp/gdbdump, after 10 seconds
23:24 neilv: if you set your view level to Info, you should see a message about it
23:25 offby1: I didn't notice ...
23:25 offby1: is the gdbdump file supposed to be just an error message?
23:25 offby1: http://ix.io/2C1 if you're curious
23:25 neilv: Info: gdbdump: wrote to "/var/tmp/gdbdump"
23:25 neilv: well, crud
23:26 neilv: is this on a gnu/linux?
23:26 offby1: yep
23:26 offby1: 
23:26 offby1: Linux ip-10-171-85-229 3.2.0-24-virtual #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 20:59:37 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
23:26 neilv: maybe it has the wrong native thread pid
23:26 offby1: ... or the wrong flux capacitor
23:27 neilv: ok, i think i see
23:27 neilv: is this ubuntu desktop or server?
23:28 offby1: hmm, dunno, honestly.
23:28 offby1: Probably server.
23:28 offby1: it's an EC2
23:28 neilv: crud
23:28 neilv: ok, thanks
23:28 neilv: i will have to look into that
23:29 offby1: holler if a login would help
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23:34 neilv: thanks, i've made a note. need to catch up on emails and dinner now
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23:55 neilv: that sandwich actually gave me as much satisfaction as releasing software i just spent a few days on
23:56 offby1: go on
23:56 offby1: BLT?
23:56 offby1: Po' boy?
23:56 offby1: Reuben?
23:56 neilv: fake chicken
23:56 offby1: hm
23:57 neilv: russian dressing makes any sandwich taste better
23:57 offby1: amen
23:57 neilv: i should add that as a log-info in the rackonsole demo