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00:22 mithos28: Guest46513: Hello
00:25 nilyaK: guess she was just visiting.
00:25 mithos28: We must have been scary
00:26 nilyaK: :)
00:28 offby1: well, _I_ kept _my_ mouth shut
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00:38 eli: Shambles_: Yes, the functions should be reversed.  In any case, it's just a demonstration why it's weaker than the clojure thing.
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01:42 mithos28: Is there any tool for racket that works like lint?
01:48 nilyaK: idk but count me interested
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09:40 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/yuZdfA
09:40 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/port: fix problems with `read-bytes!-evt' - Matthew Flatt
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15:41 neilv: anyone know why there are these funny command line flag procedures in scribble, like "DFlag"?
15:42 neilv: is that mainly because the decoding wants to treat "-" as a hyphen rather than a minus
15:44 neilv: or because we might one day support ms-dos or vms dcl style arguments?
15:47 offby1 stares blankly
15:53 neilv: speaking of pointless retro exercises, someone should implement a cpu emulator in racket
15:54 jonrafkind: like that circuit level 6502 emulator in javascript?
15:55 neilv: that's just crazy
15:57 neilv: build the apple //e hardware in racket, then boot it with the original apple roms and disk images
15:58 neilv: i don't know how timing-sensitive that is
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17:43 neilv: i cleverly just added the following to the scribble documentation for my terminal library:  (as-index "cloud server")
17:43 neilv: little things like that are actually magical incantations for dotcom millions
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17:59 neilv: in html, scribble "subsub*section" is rendering for me in a much larger font than "subsubsection"
17:59 neilv: this is in 5.2.1. anyone know whether it's fixed in pre, or should i bug report?
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18:45 neilv: would be nice if scribble "bibliography" form had an argument preventing it creating its own heading (although i suppose this might be latex's fault)
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18:47 neilv abuses "deftech" instead
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20:44 DrDuck1: Is there a guide somewhere to getting Racket setup for SICP? I tried to take a look at this one, but apparently you can no longer select the Module option under the Language tab in Racket.
20:44 DrDuck1: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/
20:45 DrDuck1: That one. (didn't link it before)
20:49 neilv: some dork made that racket-sicp thing
20:50 DrDuck1: :O
20:50 DrDuck1: Well hello.
20:50 neilv: what happens if you choose "Determine language from source" or "Use the language declared in the source"?
20:51 neilv: or whatever they call it in the drracket verison you're using
20:51 DrDuck1: I haven't yet tried, but I will find out. I see what you're talking about: "Use the language declared in the source."
20:52 DrDuck1: I believe it's installing. :D
20:53 neilv: i am updating the documentation now, as soon as i verify
20:56 DrDuck1: Hmm. There may have been a few errors -- I'll paste the output, if you care to see, but I do now have a '>' prompt.
20:56 DrDuck1: And it claims it finished.
20:56 DrDuck1: http://pastebin.com/2hwD2e39
20:57 neilv: if the error messages say "soegaard", "cce", or "untyped" in them, they are known problems, and benign
20:57 DrDuck1: Ahh ok. Great!
20:57 neilv: i think you are probably ok with this install
20:58 neilv: i am looking for someone to take over maintaining racket-sicp, if you'd like to volunteer.
20:58 neilv: it needs someone to incorporate soegaard's parts, and to work through all of sicp and fix anything that's rough
20:59 DrDuck1: Well I'm not sure if I would be qualified. I've actually never toyed around with Racket, or SICP for that matter, until now. :D
21:00 neilv: just think how much easier it would be if you could fix problems as you find them :)
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21:01 DrDuck1: Well it sounds like it would be an appealing learning endeavor. Could I maybe get back to you on it?
21:01 DrDuck1: I'll probably be hanging in here often now.
21:01 neilv: yes
21:02 neilv: email is most reliable way to reach me. i'm usually not on irc
21:03 DrDuck1: Still the same as listed here? http://www.neilvandyke.org/contact/
21:03 neilv: yes
21:03 DrDuck1: Saved. :D
21:04 DrDuck1: Thank you for you help. I hear the lisp communities are the best.
21:05 Kaylin: This one is definately a racket (yes that was a bad pun okay I'll just go back to what I was doing).
21:05 neilv: pretty much, in my experience
21:06 neilv: you find good communities in all sorts of odd places, but the lisp ones tend to be good
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21:12 neilv: i uploaded a new version: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-sicp/
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22:45 neilv: racket -p neil/charterm:2/demo -m
22:45 neilv: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-charterm/
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22:56 eli: neilv: I get a size of 60x60 (which is wrong), and after a few keys I get dings for each key.
22:57 eli: (And it doesn't recognize arrows etc.)
22:57 neilv: eli: the bells are because you have filled the text field
22:57 neilv: eli: what terminal are you using?
22:57 eli: xterm
22:58 eli: I have a bunch of custom escape sequences, but the default arrow keys are unchanged.
22:58 neilv: http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket-charterm/#%28part._.Key_.Encoding%29
22:58 neilv: i already have half a dozen different encodings for xterms. might as well add some more :)
22:59 neilv: eli: which distro and version are you getting your xterm from?
22:59 eli: Eg, up is "^[OA", etc.
22:59 eli: It does recognize all the function keys, home/end/page-up/dn/ins/del though.
23:00 eli: Also, your explanation of the dings doesn't seem right -- if I hit only ins/del, then ins never dings, and del always does.
23:01 eli: neilv: I use fedora, but with a lot of xresource-based hacking of control sequences.
23:02 neilv: ok, i will add "esc O A" and the others belonging to that family
23:02 neilv: thanks
23:03 eli: neilv: Here's the relevant part of my .Xresources: html://tmp.barzilay.org/x
23:03 neilv: it will beep if you try to insert when the field is full, if you try to backspace past the start, or delete past the end, or move past the start or end
23:04 eli: Like I said, the thing is that it's remapping lots of keys, but I tend to keep the defaults as-is so it works in places where I don't have the corresponding emacs/zsh mapping.
23:04 neilv: i know where to look now. thanks
23:05 eli: Ah, I didn't realize that the main demo should be a field editor thing.
23:06 neilv: in an xterm, it should look something like this screenshot, only displaying more info about keys now (old version screenshot).  http://www.neilvandyke.org/weblog/2012/06/#2012-06-16
23:07 neilv: eli: would you mind doing an "stty -a" in that window and seeing whether it says your rows and columns are both 60?
23:10 eli: neilv: It looks similar, but:
23:11 eli: * I can't get the cursor into the middle of the text since it doesn't recognize the arrow keys, and home/end don't do anything either.
23:11 eli: * The key names are capitalized.
23:11 eli: (eg, I see "Backspace" instead of "backspace")
23:11 neilv: that is intentional
23:11 neilv: "keylabel" vs. "keycode"
23:12 eli: (Just pointing out the differences between your screenshot and what I see)
23:12 eli: * The screen size it tells me is always 60x60
23:12 neilv: i will add the arrow keys and home, etc for your xterm shortly. just have to do something first
23:12 eli: (Even when I use a smaller screen -- and the output looks accordingly garbled.)
23:13 neilv: i don't know what to do about your screen size
23:13 eli: stty reports the proper sizes.
23:14 neilv: ok, thanks.  it is requesting the screen size through an escape sequence. i will look into why it's getting the wrong numbers for you
23:14 eli: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x1 for the stty output
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23:38 neilv: eli: do you happen to know offhand whether your xterm is utf-8?
23:54 neilv: i think my best bet is to find different terminfo entries and decompile them all