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00:34 ozzloy: how do i get the current ip address?  gethostname doesn't work.  i didn't see it in the results for searching the docs for "ip"
00:35 nilyaK: which current IP? yours?  whatismyip.com would work
00:35 nilyaK: or do you mean in racket?
00:35 ozzloy: my current ip in racket
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00:52 jeapostrophe: ozzloy: there's no cross platform way to do that and there's not even a good way using system calls in unix
00:53 jeapostrophe: ozzloy: because, for example, you could have many devices with different ips, which one is the "correct" one?
00:53 jeapostrophe: ozzloy: you could parse the output of "ifconfig -a" if you wanted
01:02 ozzloy: jeapostrophe, i figure it would give me the ip associated with whatever (udp-send-to socket host port bytes) uses
01:03 ozzloy: i don't have to tell udp-send-to what local network interface i want to use, why should i have to tell give-me-my-ip
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01:08 jeapostrophe: sending is totally different
01:08 jeapostrophe: there's one system call to send and based on the destination the right interface is selected via the routing tables
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01:55 ozzloy: even a list of all local IPs would be good
01:56 ozzloy: maybe i'll parse ifconfig -a
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03:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.3.0.6. - Eli Barzilay
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03:50 bartbes: that's the upcoming version, not the one in the repo atm, I presume?
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07:43 Haffe: Hi. Is there a way to store a reference to an object in a vector?
07:43 Haffe: I.e. when I change something in the vector I want it to change in the actuall object as well.
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08:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix non-futures, non-places build - Matthew Flatt
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11:10 stamourv: Haffe: Just putting the vector in the object should work.
11:10 stamourv: Vectors are mutable, so if you mutate one, the change should be visible from all its references.
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11:36 Haffe: stamourv: I have a vector with objects.
11:36 Haffe: And I want a change to the object in the vector to be carried onwards.
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11:39 stamourv: Oh, sorry, I thought you had a vector in your object.
11:39 stamourv: But the answer is similar, if your object is mutable, all references to the object can observe the changes.
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12:42 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix prims.rkt's type->contract to accept keyword arguments. - Vincent St-Amour
12:42 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] More precise type for flexpt. - Vincent St-Amour
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12:59 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Revert "Add contract-add-context to contract system." - Asumu Takikawa
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13:09 Cryovat: Is there a function like void, except that it always returns #f?
13:13 jonrafkind: rudybot: and
13:13 rudybot: jonrafkind: eh?  Try "rudybot: help".
13:13 jonrafkind: rudybot: (and)
13:13 rudybot: jonrafkind: your sandbox is ready
13:13 rudybot: jonrafkind: ; Value: #t
13:13 jonrafkind: rudybot: (or)
13:13 rudybot: jonrafkind: ; Value: #f
13:13 jonrafkind: but or might be a macro..
13:14 jonrafkind: yea it is.. so you can't pass it around
13:15 Cryovat: It doesn't do exactly what I want it to
13:15 Cryovat: Both (or #f) and (and #f) return #f
13:15 Cryovat: Sorry
13:16 jonrafkind: so you wand (lambda x #f) ?
13:16 jonrafkind: want*
13:16 Cryovat: I ended up doing this:
13:16 Cryovat: (define (always . v) #t) (define (never . v) #f)
13:16 jonrafkind: ya
13:16 Cryovat: But would like if there was something built in
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13:53 asumu: rudybot: (constant #f)
13:53 rudybot: asumu: your sandbox is ready
13:53 rudybot: asumu: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: constant in module: 'program
13:54 asumu: rudybot: init racket
13:54 rudybot: asumu: your sandbox is ready
13:54 asumu: rudybot: (require racket/function)
13:54 rudybot: asumu: Done.
13:54 asumu: rudybot: (constant #f)
13:54 rudybot: asumu: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: constant in module: 'program
13:54 asumu: rudybot: (const #f)
13:54 rudybot: asumu: ; Value: #<procedure:const>
13:54 asumu: Cryovat: ^
13:54 jonrafkind: ROFL
13:54 asumu: rudybot: ((const #f))
13:54 rudybot: asumu: ; Value: #f
13:54 jonrafkind: const.. constant. who cares about naming things logically
14:08 Cryovat: asumu: Thanks :)
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14:31 asumu: Anyone here running a typical Windows/Mac/Linux setup? I need a screenshot of DrRacket to put up on the Wikipedia page.
14:32 asumu: And my computer is running xmonad, so perhaps not the best demo screenshot.
14:33 Cryovat: I have stock Windows 7
14:35 asumu: Oh hmm.
14:35 asumu: Actually, Wikipedia policy might preclude screenshots of Windows or Mac machines.
14:35 Cryovat: ...really?
14:35 Cryovat: That's a bit silly
14:35 asumu: Nevermind, I got a screenshot
14:35 Cryovat: You'd think a screenshot of a Windows application would constitute fair use
14:38 asumu: Cryovat: I thought so, but it appears that screenshots of Windows applications on Wikipedia get explicit approval from Microsoft.
14:38 asumu: Crazy world.
14:39 Cryovat: As in, if I want to take a screenshot of my form with a button on it, I need to contact their lawyers?
14:42 asumu: Technically, you may have to. *shrug*
14:42 asumu: Since a screenshot of proprietary software technically counts as a derivative work.
14:43 nilyaK1: though on wiki since it's informative I'd believe it to be fair use assuming it was reasonably low res, unless I was told otherwise.
14:43 Cryovat: This world was more fun before the lawyers took over
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14:44 nilyaK1: @ me
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15:02 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] doc clarification for make-argb - John Clements
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15:08 asumu: I think now Racket is one of the few PLs that has a screenshot on its Wikipedia page. ;)
15:08 asumu: Hmm, also maybe the Getting Started page would be more useful with screenshots.
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15:13 dyoo: asumu: are you thinking something on the order of https://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dyoo/python/idle_intro/
15:13 dyoo: in terms of screenshots to show how to start up DrRacket?
15:17 Cryovat: asumu, your secret is out
15:17 Cryovat: Now people know you use Ubuntu ;)
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15:21 asumu: Cryovat: Nope, I use Debian. :)
15:21 asumu: dyoo: Yes, that would be nice!
15:22 dyoo: asumu: understood.  Will try to get that in place for Racket.
15:22 asumu: Awesome. :)
15:22 Cryovat: Wise choice
15:27 Cryovat: Damnit
15:27 Cryovat: Until now, RacketGL has been treaeting me nice
15:28 Cryovat: And now it's throwing me the fun combo of inconsistency with OpenGL docs + killing DrRacket at missteps :(
15:29 bartbes: so was a new version released or not?
15:30 bremner: no
15:31 bartbes: right, so that commit was just preparing for the next release?
15:31 asumu: bartbes: which commit are you referring to?
15:32 bartbes: http://git.io/gELzCQ
15:32 asumu: That's an internal version bump.
15:32 Cryovat: Horray, no crash
15:33 Cryovat: And crash
15:33 bartbes: asumu: alright, thanks for clearing it up
15:38 asumu: bartbes: I think the general plan is an August release so that the new features will be more stable.
15:38 asumu: And near the release, there should be a release branch with whatever will go in it.
15:40 asumu: Cryovat: BTW, if you find any GL doc inconsistencies that can be fixed easily, we'd be happy to fix them. Patches welcome too (or bug reports).
15:44 Cryovat: Well, I'm not using the official Racket GL libraries
15:44 Cryovat: I started out with them
15:44 Cryovat: But the lack of support for vertex buffer objects made me switch to RacketGL from Planet instead
15:44 Cryovat: Ironically, that's the thing giving me headaches right now
15:45 asumu: Oh, I see.
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15:47 epsil: how can I recursively convert a mutable list {{foo}} to an immutable list ((foo)) and vice versa?
15:48 Cryovat: Med blod, svette og tårer :)
15:49 epsil: må da gå an :)
15:49 bartbes: that looks.. swedish?
15:50 Cryovat: Norwegian
15:50 epsil: ^^
15:50 Cryovat: So close enough ;)
15:50 bartbes: should've been able to tell by the accent, right?
15:50 stamourv: epsil: I recommend recursively traversing the list, and building the new one as you go along.
15:50 bartbes: I remember that being a tell
15:50 stamourv: (I don't think there's a build-in way to do it.)
15:51 epsil: stamourv: I see. Too bad.
15:51 Cryovat: What we put on top of wovels is pretty distinguishing
15:51 bartbes: stamourv: how would you do that, though? consing would give you the reverse list
15:52 stamourv: epsil: There's `mlist->list' and its dual, but they don't convert recursively.
15:52 stamourv: bartbes: How so?
15:53 stamourv: rudybot: eval (define (m->i ml) (if (mcons? ml) (cons (m->i (mcar ml)) (m->i (mcdr ml))) ml))
15:53 rudybot: stamourv: your sandbox is ready
15:53 rudybot: stamourv: Done.
15:53 stamourv: rudybot: eval (m->i (mlist (mlist 1 2) (mlist 3 4 5) (mlist 6 (mlist 7 8) 9)))
15:53 rudybot: stamourv: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: mlist in module: 'program
15:53 stamourv: rudybot: (require racket/mpair)
15:53 rudybot: stamourv: Done.
15:53 stamourv: rudybot: eval (m->i (mlist (mlist 1 2) (mlist 3 4 5) (mlist 6 (mlist 7 8) 9)))
15:53 rudybot: stamourv: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: mcons? in module: 'program
15:53 stamourv: rudybot: eval (define (m->i ml) (if (mpair? ml) (cons (m->i (mcar ml)) (m->i (mcdr ml))) ml))
15:53 rudybot: stamourv: Done.
15:54 stamourv: rudybot: eval (m->i (mlist (mlist 1 2) (mlist 3 4 5) (mlist 6 (mlist 7 8) 9)))
15:54 rudybot: stamourv: ; Value: ((1 2) (3 4 5) (6 (7 8) 9))
15:54 stamourv: bartbes: ^
15:54 bartbes: ah right
15:55 bartbes: I'm too focused on tail recursion ;)
16:03 Cryovat: Does DrRacket write a crash log anywhere?
16:04 epsil: so here is my gift to the world, a horribly inefficient implementation:
16:04 epsil: (define (mtree->tree tree) (if (mpair? tree) (cons (mtree->tree (mcar tree)) (mtree->tree (mcdr tree))) tree))
16:04 epsil: hm ... what would a tail-recursive conversion function look like?
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16:30 stamourv: epsil: Looks like we arrived to the same answer (see exchange with rudybot above).
16:30 stamourv: And how is it horribly inefficient?
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16:37 epsil: stamourv: well, first it builds up a huge call stack, and then it "converts" the stack to an actual list
16:37 epsil: seems inefficient to me
16:37 epsil: also, it might overflow
16:40 jonrafkind: just so you know, there is no stack overflow in racket, you can run out of memory though
16:41 epsil: jonrafkind: ah, okay ... good to know :)
16:43 stamourv: epsil: You're traversing a tree, you need to keep track of your traversal.
16:44 stamourv: Unless you want to do nasty pointer-reversal tricks, that is.
16:44 danking: Is there a way to override equal?'s  notion of equality for a particular data structure whose definition I do not control?
16:44 danking: Specifically, how can I tell check-equal? to ignore the source location of syntax objects when comparing them?
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17:13 Cryovat: https://gist.github.com/dcbd00138eb74629d0d2
17:13 Cryovat: Anyone see any immediate problems with this code? :/
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