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02:20 roelof: Hello, I have a world program which has to stop on a certain condition. Can I best use stop-with clause then ?
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02:30 roelof: hello, can one of you help me with how I can best stop a world program with a certain condition ?
02:32 asumu: roelof: I think you want `stop-when`
02:32 asumu: rudybot: doc stop-when
02:32 rudybot: asumu: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: 2htdp/universe, htdp/world
02:32 asumu: rudybot: (require 2htdp/universe)
02:32 rudybot: asumu: error: Gtk initialization failed for display ":0"
02:32 asumu: rudybot: doc stop-when
02:32 rudybot: asumu: no docs for a current binding, but provided by: 2htdp/universe, htdp/world
02:33 asumu: Ah well.
02:33 asumu: Anyway, read the docs and you'll find out.
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02:35 roelof: oke. I will again  dive into the docs
02:40 roelof: I found it, thanks again
02:40 roelof: and have a good day'
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10:57 em: One of you guys who is skilled with racket should make Racket's version of Rails or Django.
11:01 ssbr: huge amount of effort compared to the reward.
11:01 ssbr: is there some easy way to drop down into a debugger or repl in the middle of a program?
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11:05 ssbr: alternatively a way to print all identifiers would be nice.
11:05 ssbr: or something
11:05 noelw: Not that I know of
11:05 ssbr: no way to do either that you know of?
11:07 noelw: There is no way to invoke a debugger while running a program afaik
11:08 ssbr: there is no way to debug y-- what?
11:08 ssbr: I just want to have the program drop into the debugger when it hits a certain point
11:08 ssbr: it can be run in debug mode or whatever. I just want a breakpoint
11:08 noelw: I thought you meant to run a debugger on a running program
11:08 noelw: like gdb can attach to a program
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11:14 ssbr: o-o-oh I see it
11:14 ssbr: maybe I should give a zero to the students that delete the (provide) statements from their assignment files
11:14 ssbr: it seems justified
11:16 asumu: Oh hmm, in-directory actually recursively looks in nested directories. I had thought it only did one level. Cool.
11:17 ssbr: ughh my old approach of directing everything to the shell seemed like such a bad idea, but it actually worked.
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12:18 asumu: If I'm writing documentation for a package and it might end up being either a PLaneT package or just installed with raco link, how should I write for-label requires and requires for the scribble evaluators?
12:19 asumu: In particular, relative paths don't seem to work because of security mechanisms built into evaluators.
12:19 asumu: (and similarly with for-label?)
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12:38 asumu: Is the label phase level explained anywhere in the docs?
12:39 asumu: All I have been able to find out about it is that it's used to track bindings without an execution dependency.
12:40 asumu: But it seems like for-label works differently with regard to file system paths and so on.
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13:08 jeapostrophe: asumu: in the byte-code, the label phase is #f and those top-levels are never referred to in the code, just in the syntax objects
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13:12 jeapostrophe: stamourv: you should provide pre-written "picky" functions like picky-vector-ref
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13:39 jonrafkind: how do you require a submodule declared with (module+) ?
13:40 jonrafkind: basically i just need to invoke it to run some test cases
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13:41 asumu: jonrafkind: You can't require it from the parent module, if that's what you mean.
13:41 asumu: If you're in another module, use the (submod ...) require form.
13:41 jonrafkind: ok, im trying from the repl
13:42 jonrafkind: ok i got it
13:48 stamourv: jeapostrophe: You mean, versions that accept only `Index' values?
13:48 jeapostrophe: stamourv: ya, and other things like that a normal person wouldn't think to add
13:50 stamourv: I'm not sure how useful that specific one would be.
13:51 stamourv: It can't do the bounds checking at compile time, so it doesn't provide that much stronger a guarantee as regular `vector-ref'.
13:51 stamourv: s/as/than/
13:53 jeapostrophe: are there any of these "too picky" types that would have optimizations?
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14:02 stamourv: jeapostrophe: Not currently.
14:02 jeapostrophe: I mean is it possible/plausible
14:03 stamourv: If I add a `vector-ref'-like primitive that performs the bounds check, but nothing else, that could work.
14:03 stamourv: Not sure how much that would save.
14:04 stamourv: But that would be possible even without a `picky-vector-ref'. Any use of `vector-ref' where the argument had type `index' could be optimized in that way.
14:05 stamourv: Actually, we already optimize cases where the arguments are fixnums, but the improvement is negligible. The nice thing though, is that that optimization trades C code for Racket code, so as the JIT gets better, that optimization automatically gets better.
14:16 ssbr: How do I debug an error message like "syntax-e: expects argument of type <syntax>; given #<eof>" ?
14:16 ssbr: this may or may not be related to a macro that does `(include ,(read)) <_<
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14:20 stamourv: ssbr: What are you trying to do with that macro?
14:21 ssbr: stamourv: I have one file that runs tests, based on multiple files that need testing (student's submitted source code)
14:22 ssbr: my old approach involved eval-ing the two concatenated together; now I'm trying this. I'm not really sure it's working out better.
14:22 stamourv: `require' would work better.
14:22 stamourv: `include' is usually a bad idea.
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15:41 ssbr: stamourv: uhhhh
15:41 ssbr: I meant require.
15:42 ssbr: require actually works really poorly, because students keep deleting the (provide) declaration.
15:42 ssbr: It's not very robust. I'm not sure what the "right thing" is though. I've tried a lot of things now.
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15:43 ssbr: (define-syntax (require-stdin syntax-object)
15:43 ssbr: (datum->syntax syntax-object `(require ,(read))))
15:49 ssbr: I figured it out. Some student was calling (read) on his own. Bah.
15:50 asumu: Hmm, it turns out gui-debugger/annotator.rkt provides enough of an API that you might be able to write a REPL debugger.
15:51 asumu: Unfortunately it is not documented except in the comments, some of which are out of date.
15:52 jonrafkind: were you going to write a repl debugger?
15:52 jonrafkind: is that the general *you* or someone in particular?
15:54 ssbr: jonrafkind: I wasn't. I was asking if there was some way to drop into the debugger, like with breakpoints
15:54 ssbr: (in particular when running a program from the command line)
15:54 jonrafkind: i meant asumu
15:54 asumu: Generla you.
15:54 jonrafkind: i asked about a repl debugger before, samth pointed me at the gui-debugger
15:54 asumu: *General
15:54 jonrafkind: but yea it looks tough..
15:55 asumu: Well, I figured out how to use annotate-for-single-stepping.
15:55 asumu: But writing the stepper itself requires some thought.
15:56 jonrafkind: this module isn't that large.. maybe i can decipher it
15:57 asumu: jonrafkind: https://gist.github.com/2597330
15:57 stamourv: ssbr: No `provide', no grade?
15:58 ssbr: stamourv: I don't think the prof told them about what provide does
15:58 ssbr: and they weren't even in the first assignment at all -_-
15:58 jonrafkind: ok i think i mostly follow this code
15:59 stamourv: If that's a one-off, I'd just use awk to add `(provide foo)' to the end of each file, and call it a day.
15:59 stamourv: Assuming the name that would be provided is standard.
15:59 ssbr: Yeah. About that.
15:59 ssbr: Prof also uses unicode names.
15:59 ssbr: Students don't know how to copy paste unicode symbols.
15:59 stamourv: That's a dirty hack, I know.
16:00 stamourv: So what's the result?
16:00 ssbr: stamourv: result of them not knowing how to copy paste?
16:00 stamourv: Yeah,.
16:00 ssbr: they change list⁺? into list*?
16:00 ssbr: or into list+?
16:01 ssbr: or, while they're at it, into just plain list+
16:01 stamourv: So they change the provided definitions?
16:01 ssbr: they delete them because they cause errors. I think.
16:02 ssbr: Oh, I misread as "provide definitions". Yes, they do.
16:02 ssbr: OK, """ c0neyman/A1.Source-formatted.rkt:178:29: read: unexpected `)' """ this means line 178 column 29, right?
16:02 jonrafkind: students dont know how to copy/paste??
16:03 stamourv: Yes, line 178, col 29.
16:03 ssbr: OK, this is problematic, as said file only has 170 lines
16:03 ssbr: (or 3000 lines if you ask wc -l, because it's using that file format only drracket understands)
16:04 stamourv: Well, on the one hand, unicode identifiers are not super student-friendly.
16:04 stamourv: But on the other hand, if students just randomly break the provided code, they shouldn't be surprised if their grade is broken, too.
16:05 stamourv: ssbr: Whoa, from 170 to 3000? There's images in there, right?
16:06 ssbr: stamourv: not that I can see.
16:06 asumu: jonrafkind: I put a really dumb stepper in there... if you say #t it will keep stepping. #f will end.
16:06 stamourv: ssbr: IIRC, DrRacket's format just adds a header, unless there's some non-text data in the program.
16:07 ssbr: ...
16:07 ssbr: OK, no
16:07 ssbr: stamourv: drracket does some weird code folding thing apparently
16:07 ssbr: except I didn't know it could do that
16:07 ssbr: and it doesn't skip line counts
16:07 stamourv: Weird.
16:07 ssbr: so I copy pasted the file to a pastebin to show you the contents, and suddenly it's 271 lines long
16:08 stamourv: So error messages (in DrRacket) are in terms of unfolded lines, but line numbers in the editor are in terms of folded line?
16:08 ssbr: stamourv: Yes.
16:08 stamourv: Sounds like a bug.
16:08 stamourv: Could you submit a bug report?
16:08 ssbr: Mot definitely. And sure.
16:08 ssbr: first: how do I fold/unfold lines?
16:08 ssbr: I need a reproducible test case ;)
16:09 stamourv: Not sure, actually. I don't usually use DrRacket.
16:09 stamourv: Let me see if I can do it.
16:09 ssbr: aha. Right click and "expand S-expression"
16:10 ssbr: hahahahaha
16:10 ssbr: so the reason for this error was because I did a single-line comment on a single line that had multiple folded lines
16:10 ssbr: this actually works fine in drracket
16:11 ssbr: but as soon as you load up the file in command-line racket, it notices unbalanced parentheses
16:12 stamourv: Still sounds problematic.
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16:13 stamourv: Yeah, I can reproduce that. (The comment thing.)
16:13 stamourv: Can you still see the line numering problem?
16:15 ssbr: stamourv: yes
16:15 ssbr: I'll file both separately
16:18 stamourv: Great, thanks!
16:22 ssbr: done
16:23 ssbr: they're probably closely related, actually. But I'll leave that to racketfolk to merge if necessary.
16:25 jonrafkind: how do you fold code in drracket
16:25 jonrafkind: at first i was wondering if that bug report was about the line number on the left hand side of the gui
16:25 ssbr: jonrafkind: right click in the S-expression and select the fold option
16:25 jonrafkind: i would guess that is actually broken
16:26 ssbr: well, the line number on the LHS of the GUI is dumb, but not broken. It's consistent with the other behavior re: single-line comments
16:26 ssbr: but drracket and racket are interpreting code folding differently, so that code breaks on one but not the other
16:27 jonrafkind: fwiw I wrote the line numbering stuff in the gui :p
16:27 jonrafkind: thats my only interest in it
16:29 jonrafkind: so the collappsed expression has a single line number, and the next line is 4
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16:29 jonrafkind: but if theres an error after the collapsed expression it will get the wrong line number
16:31 ssbr: jonrafkind: if there's an error inside, as well.
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16:46 asumu hacks on the C code and tries not to break anything...
16:46 stamourv: asumu: Whatcha hacking on?
16:47 asumu: stamourv: there's talk of changing how method invocation errors are printed with regards to arity.
16:47 asumu: Which might require changes at the C level.
16:47 stamourv: I see.
16:47 asumu: The procedure code does different things depending on a is_method flag.
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18:17 jonrafkind: is there a way to require a submodule from the command line?
18:18 jonrafkind: other than -e '(require (submod ...
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18:24 jonrafkind: well for now ill just make a new module that does a submodule require as its only expression
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18:33 jamessan: I thought I had seen discussion about that on the list, but I can't find it now
18:35 jamessan: guess it was just about having "raco test" find the right submodule
18:36 jamessan: raco test -s submodule
18:45 jonrafkind: that doesn't seem to require it
18:45 jonrafkind: oh raco test
18:45 jonrafkind: i did racket -s
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18:49 jamessan: yeah, it's not direct and not likely the intended use but it's available
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18:50 jeapostrophe: jonrafkind: we should ask for "racket -s" or the ability to use the submodule form in a -t
18:50 jonrafkind: ya
18:50 jonrafkind: well thats essentially what 'raco test ...' is doing
18:51 jonrafkind: maybe just generalize that to 'raco require' or something?
18:52 jeapostrophe: well, raco test also searches through sub-directories
18:52 jeapostrophe: and requires every file @ test
18:52 jeapostrophe: or no submodule if it doesn't have one
18:53 jonrafkind: wait do you know how to trace through metafunctions in redex? im just adding ,(begin (printf ...)) to every output
18:53 jonrafkind: to the right hand sides
18:55 jeapostrophe: ya
18:56 jeapostrophe: current-traced-metafunctions
18:57 jonrafkind: oh neat
18:57 jonrafkind: but it doesnt tell you which rule was selected
19:01 asumu: jonrafkind: using that annotator, I wrote a simple xrepl thing that lets you set breakpoints before a function call.
19:01 asumu: And single-step.
19:01 jonrafkind: it works in redex?
19:01 asumu: But to make something like that actually useful (like being able to "step into") I think you need some support from the runtime...
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20:09 tauntaun: How do you reference modules in Scribble?
20:09 tauntaun: There is @racketmodname, but that's only for Racket modules.
20:09 tauntaun: I'd like to reference my own.
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20:34 jeapostrophe: tauntaun: what do you mean "your own"?
20:35 jeapostrophe: tauntaun: you can reference planet modules with racketmod/this-package
20:35 jeapostrophe: but other than that... from Racket's perspective, no other libraries "exist"
20:35 jeapostrophe: i.e. files that you require by path
20:37 tauntaun: jeapostrophe: by "my own" I mean modules that I wrote and that I am currently trying to document using Scribble.
20:38 tauntaun: I just tried @racketmod, but it printed "#lang <mod-name>" as a separate line, whereas I just want a link to appear inline with the text.
20:38 tauntaun: As for racketmod/this-package, it seems not to be recognized by (my) Scribble.
20:40 asumu: tauntaun: racketmod/this-package is in planet/scribble.
20:41 tauntaun: asumu: OK, thanks.  But I'd like also to refer to a module in the documentation of *another* module.
20:42 tauntaun: ...whereas racketmod/this-package sounds to me like it will refer to the module currently being documented.
20:52 jeapostrophe: tauntaun: this-package refers to the whole planet package
20:53 jeapostrophe: for example, the package nabisco.plt might have oreos.rkt and goldfish.rkt
20:53 jeapostrophe: so
20:53 jeapostrophe: @racketmodname/this-package[oreos] would refer to nabsico.plt's oreos.rkt
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21:02 tauntaun: jeapostrophe: plain old
21:02 tauntaun: jeapostrophe: (for your future reading): plain old @racketmod seems now to be working.  Thanks for the help.
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