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02:28 ssbr_: I'm doing dumb tricks to learn things. Finally got around to trying to implement C's "##" in Scheme: http://paste.lisp.org/display/128565
02:28 ssbr_: It would work fine, except that I can't access the function from the macro. What is the right way to handle this? "expand: unbound identifier in module (in the transformer environment, which does not include the run-time definition) in: symbol-append"
02:29 ssbr_: (the error message is really awesome, btw -- it changes to reflect what run-time thing you're using, e.g. macros)
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02:52 jhemann: I'm getting an error on install read-bitmap: expects type <path-string or input-port> as 1st argument, given: '#
02:52 jhemann: (#<procedure:draw-honu> 270 270); other arguments were: 'unknown/alpha #f #t[Exited. Close box or Ctrl-C closes the console.]
02:53 jhemann: uninstalled and reinstalled using the windows executable
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04:26 eli: jhemann: it's a bug in an easter egg for the day -- if you change the date it should work.
04:29 jhemann: ಠ_ಠ you're kidding me.
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04:31 eli: jhemann: No.
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07:15 Girffe: Hi, I'm trying to install Racket on my win7 x64 PC, I get the following error when I try to run DrRacket:
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07:15 Girffe: read-bitmap: expects type <path-string or input-port> as 1st argument, given: 'W<#<procedure:draw-homu> 270 270>; other arguments were: 'unknown/alpha #f #t
07:15 Girffe: and that comes up in a command prompt window
07:16 Girffe: when I run GRacket it works, it's just DrRacket that doesn't
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09:04 vegarmol: Hello :)
09:04 vegarmol: I'm having some issued running drracket - I think my gtk version is too old
09:04 vegarmol: school computers, so no root :D
09:05 vegarmol: The error i get when i try to run drracket: ffi-obj: couldn't get "gdk_window_ensure_native" from "libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0" (/usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: gdk_window_ensure_native)
09:05 asumu: vegarmol: it might be an issue with the splash screen
09:05 asumu: Oh, does that prevent it from opening?
09:05 vegarmol: yes
09:05 asumu: Yeah, that seems like an issue with the GTK version.
09:06 vegarmol: snap, the school insists on using rhel5 :(
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09:09 asumu: vegarmol: Looks like that function is new as of GTK 2.17
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09:14 vegarmol: asumu: okay, doubt the school will upgrade :(
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09:16 vegarmol: I'll see if I can install a personal gtk version, without root =) from source
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11:06 samth: asumu: you might report that gtk version issue as a bug
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11:19 offby1: hm, a bug in an egg -- can't we grow a vaccine from that?
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11:36 synergizm: hi, im running ubuntu 11.10 64 and im getting the following message when i start drracket from the terminal:
11:36 synergizm: read-bitmap: expects type <path-string or input-port> as 1st argument, given: '#(#<procedure:draw-honu> 270 270); other arguments were: 'unknown/alpha #f #t
11:37 synergizm: any ideas how to fix?
11:37 synergizm: yesterday it was working fine ...today not so much :/
11:39 asumu: synergizm: This is an issue with an easter egg, let me point you to the mailing list post explaining it with fixes.
11:39 asumu: synergizm: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2012-March/051156.html
11:40 synergizm: ah thx a lot
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12:10 petey: is it normal for drracket 5.2.1 to spontaneously start erroring on read-bitmap?
12:10 jonrafkind: feature!
12:10 petey: (on mac os x)
12:10 petey: i restarted and now drracket won't launch
12:12 jonrafkind: petey, there is a splash screen bug
12:12 petey: oh nice
12:13 petey: so today is one of those special days with a special splash screen or something?
12:13 jonrafkind: here use this file
12:13 jonrafkind: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~rafkind/tmp/drracket-normal.rkt
12:13 ssbr_: does drracket not have a test suite :(
12:13 jonrafkind: and put it in   collects/drracket/private/drracket-normal.rkt
12:13 jonrafkind: i guess the splash screen days are not tested
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12:15 petey: jonrafkind: muchas thank yous
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12:21 petey: so what's with the turtle, anyway?
12:23 jonrafkind: some hawaiin thing
12:24 offby1: Hawaiian
12:25 petey: oh cool
12:25 petey: it's one of two US holidays devoted to royalty
12:26 petey: the other is also for Hawaiian royalty
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12:26 petey: i guess that makes sense
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12:32 Gertm: gertje
12:32 Gertm: :o
12:33 Gertm: Must not confuse gf-chatwindow with IRC
12:33 offby1: very importat
12:34 Gertm: Om 8u ok?
12:34 Gertm: DAMMIT
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12:37 offby1: you talk funny
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12:40 Gertm: It's dutch.
12:41 offby1: oic
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12:58 brabo: hey guys
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13:04 nilyaK: hi
13:04 nilyaK: how're you?
13:04 brabo: i need plt-scheme 4.x for something, but i'm getting an error : ffi-obj: couldn't get "SSLv2_client_method" from "libssl.so" (/usr/lib/libssl.so: undefined symbol: SSLv2_client_method) i know plt-scheme is superseded by racket, and that it is undoable to support older versions, but i found one thing back on the irclogs of this channel and that reffered to a commit to racket that would solve it (apparently it's not plt-scheme only that suffers from it)
13:04 brabo: hey nilyaK
13:04 brabo: i'm okay
13:05 (nick) nilyaK -> Kaylin
13:05 brabo: just strugling with that ;)
13:05 brabo: did it come all through?
13:05 Kaylin: probably but it looks like a job for somebody who knows more than me like those silly programmers who hide in here.
13:05 brabo: hehe
13:06 brabo: well, if i could just find the commit, then i probably would be able to fix it in plt-scheme 4.2.5 which i'm using
13:06 brabo: and sadly, it seems i have to use plt-scheme 4.x for fluxus
13:06 brabo: they kinda stress on it
13:07 asumu: brabo: I think it might be this commit 4cc0af90aa9871ff7ba74ebbab853dcb1cf5aedd
13:07 asumu: (I was surprised to find that it was my commit...)
13:07 brabo: yes!
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13:08 brabo: but i tried searhing for that commit.. and git seems to have smaller commit id's
13:08 brabo: and racket-lang site cod browser doesnt find it either
13:08 brabo: *code
13:11 brabo: nvm got it
13:11 brabo: sorry to bug you guys!
13:11 brabo: ;)
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13:14 Sycamore: Hi, My Dr. Racket is suddenly not working. I am using a Mac. could anyone please tell me how to uninstall it?
13:14 asumu: Sycamore: This problem is most likely due to this: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2012-March/051156.html
13:14 asumu: (see instructions there for how to fix)
13:15 brabo: let's see if it works now..
13:15 Sycamore: oh wow! Thanks, let me seee
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13:19 Sycamore: it doesn't let me remove the  drracket-normal.rkt file
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13:22 jhemann__: that would make a great channel topic for today..
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13:29 (topic) samth: To fix today's error with DrRacket, see http://lists.racket-lang.org/announce/archive/2012/000067.html
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13:31 brabo: anyone here ever played with fluxus btw?
13:38 jonrafkind: i tried it once or twice
13:38 jonrafkind: its interesting, but i have no idea what to do with it
13:38 brabo: well, i think i do.. we're gonna make some theater show with music and live coding in it
13:39 brabo: fluxus looks awesome todo it in
13:39 brabo: but there are others too
13:39 brabo: you any idea about the others like extempore?
13:40 brabo: btw jonrafkind you guys knowing scheme, you would all rock at fluxus, i'm sure ;)
13:40 jonrafkind: ive only ever seen fluxus
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14:04 incompetent: These academic incompetent programmers are unable to test the software but they are certainly capable ban me from this channel
14:04 incompetent: SHEN RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:04 incompetent: These academic incompetent programmers are unable to test the software but they are certainly capable ban me from this channel
14:04 incompetent: SHEN RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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14:10 PfhorSlayer: whaaat?
14:10 offby1: troll; ignore it
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14:11 bropbrop: Hello all
14:11 bropbrop: I have an interesting issue with racket
14:11 offby1: fails to start?
14:11 bropbrop: yep
14:11 offby1: see the topic
14:13 bropbrop: where can I find the topic?
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14:13 offby1: To fix today's error with DrRacket, see http://lists.racket-lang.org/announce/archive/2012/000067.html
14:13 offby1: your IRC client should have presented it to you when you joined this channel
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14:14 bropbrop: wow
14:15 bropbrop: an easter egg gone wrong
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14:16 ballz: racket is not working today :(
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14:16 ballz: ;~;
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14:17 offby1: ballz: To fix today's error with DrRacket, see http://lists.racket-lang.org/announce/archive/2012/000067.html
14:17 offby1 copies that to an Emacs register for convenience
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14:19 rapacity: easter bug
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14:21 brabo: hm i still get that error..
14:23 asumu: brabo: I've tried fluxus before. Back when Racket was PLT Scheme.
14:23 asumu doesn't think he was very good at it, but it was fun
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14:25 berb: huh
14:27 berb: is a bono?
14:27 berb: Nashville.
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14:27 offby1: say what?
14:28 chandler: what
14:30 offby1: thank you
14:31 offby1: Do you promise to covet property, propriety, surety, security, and not hurt the state, say what?
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17:01 dyoo: Out of curiosity, are people actually using whalesong?
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17:14 offby1 fidgets
17:16 dyoo: If not, that's ok.  I'm trying to identify what I need to do to make it actually useful for people.  I'm using it for my own projects, of course, but I'm a weird case.
17:26 jonrafkind: you don't even know if you have users?
17:27 dyoo: I know I have at least two.  :)  And from the download list on planet, I see about 30 or so downloads of the latest version.  But other than that, I have no information to work on
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17:34 mrT: so... anyone know what's up with the failure to launch errors today?
17:34 bremner: yeah, easter-egg gone wrong
17:34 dyoo: mrT: yes, there was supposed to be an easter egg, but it isn't properly running in DrRacket
17:35 dyoo: mrT: see http://lists.racket-lang.org/announce/archive/2012/000067.html
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17:41 mrT: SOLID, folks. Thanks much. I've some students freaking out...
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17:46 ozzloy: just in case no one has thought of this yet: modify racket-lang.org front page to notify about the problem and provides solutions
17:48 ozzloy: if only for my sake, so i don't have to keep seeing people ask about it in the email thread.  please, think of my needs
17:48 dyoo: asking on the racket-dev mailing list now...
17:49 ozzloy: (in case some meaning was lost in the translation to text, the selfish part was meant to be funny.)
17:51 ozzloy: dyoo, thanks.  good idea
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17:56 ozzloy: another suggestion: modify the download to one that doesn't have the easter-egg problem
17:56 stamourv: ozzloy: I believe that's already the case.
17:56 stamourv: Or will soon be.
17:56 ozzloy: i was just typing out "if that's not the case"
17:56 ozzloy: heh
17:56 dyoo: ozzloy: :)  Yup.
17:57 ozzloy: word
17:57 neilv: this is me, being pained deeply by the same version number being reused for a different version
17:57 ozzloy: maybe add another .1?
17:57 dyoo: neilv. Ok, good, I thought it was just me.
17:58 ozzloy: 5.2.1.1?
17:58 ozzloy: looks like an ip
17:58 stamourv: neilv: I believe they only differ by one commit, but I see what you mean.
17:59 ozzloy: thanks for being on top of this everyone
18:00 ozzloy: i don't even use drracket, but it's cool to see such quick fixes going out
18:01 dyoo: frankly, this is a bit sad to me.  There was a similar easter-egg fiasco a year or so ago, if my memory serves me right
18:02 dyoo: (feel like chairman kaga for a moment...)
18:03 ozzloy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzgbViujf8o this?
18:04 neilv: what's the proper way to signal a syntax error from parser-tools/lex lexer?  use "wrong-syntax" with a syntax object we create from start-pos, end-pos, and lexeme?
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18:04 stamourv: dyoo: There was?
18:05 dyoo: yes, that's why I'm so unhappy with the whole situation.  It was halloween, I think...
18:05 dyoo: let me check archives
18:05 dyoo: ozzloy: of course.  Iron Chef is awesome.
18:06 samth: neilv: probably datum->syntax
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18:07 samth: neilv: sorry, i totally misparsed your question
18:07 samth: neilv: your suggestion is what i would do
18:13 dyoo: stamourv: ah, ok, misremembered the easter egg.  It was Eli's birthday that triggered it, not halloween
18:13 dyoo: happened around july 2009 according to the mailing list archives
18:13 stamourv: Do you have the link?
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18:16 dyoo: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2009-July/034845.html
18:17 stamourv: Ah, I see.
18:17 stamourv: Thanks.
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18:17 dyoo: I am having a hard time finding other references to it for some reason... not easily showing up under google searches.
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18:33 dyoo: the other useful reference I see to the 2009 bug is: htttp://lists.racket-lang.org/dev/archive/2009-July/001140.html
18:35 stamourv: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev/archive/2009-July/001140.html
18:36 stamourv: (Had one too many `t's.)
18:37 dyoo: ah, thanks!  Sorry, I shouldn't have tried to type that..
18:37 stamourv: You don't like copy paste?
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18:38 dyoo: I'm on two separate computers.  have my ipad with an irc client running.  Yes, I'm being silly.
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18:41 eli: Having an ipad is worse than being silly.
18:42 eli: neilv: Usually we're very aware of such problems and wouldn't have a patched release under the same version number.  However, in this case bumping the version number would make a *lot* more work, and there's no chance that it would happen today.
18:44 eli: Part of that is that there is no 5.2.1.1 version number that would correspond to this that would work -- we use four-part versions for development only; this means 5.2.2.
18:45 eli: But the problem is that the head is at 5.2.900.2 which is in the process of getting version 5.3 out -- so to keep things sequential the new version would have been 5.3 or 5.3.1 -- way exaggerated for a <10 line change.
18:46 eli: Then the other option would be to start playing with the version numbers in some attempt to make them follow procedures and that is extremely likely to mess things up in some unexpected way.
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18:46 eli: And that's why re-building 5.2.1 was significantly more practical.
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18:51 rkrdo: hello everybody is drracket working for everyone?
18:53 neilv: rkrdo: it's judgment day: the day that drracket is disabled for everyone who isn't on the email list
18:53 offby1: rkrdo: see the topic
18:53 offby1: neilv: :)
18:53 offby1: rkrdo: just re-download it
18:53 rkrdo: alright, thank you
18:55 offby1: eli: hmm -- is "just re-download it" the correct advice?  If so, could http://racket-lang.org/download/ be changed to either a) change "February 2012" to "March 2012"; or b) include a note "this version fixes the bug ..."
18:55 bremner: not to be snotty, but this is why new version numbers are nice, even when they are inconvenient.
18:56 offby1: "wait -- which v5.2.1 do you mean"
18:57 eli: bremner: See above.  offby1: Yes, for the first part, hard for the second part.
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18:57 rkrdo: lol at the judgement day part
18:57 rkrdo: i have a midterm tomorrow about scheme, scumbag dr racket
18:57 bremner: eli: I guess I'm just a version number fundementalist
18:57 synergizm: imo its just funny as hell tbh :D
18:57 synergizm: i mean
18:57 synergizm: the level of fail
18:58 synergizm: its just awsome
18:58 eli: bremner: Then really see the above.  It's coming from the same view.
19:00 eli: bremner: Oh, and if you're that picky -- they right thing to do would be a patch level; it was used in the past but getting everything working for it now would be exactly the thing that would prevent the fix from going out now.
19:01 eli: Specifically, that's all stuff in my dept, and I'm 80% dead now as it is.
19:01 offby1: I think that's "mostly dead" on the Miracle Max scale
19:01 bremner: sure, I'm not in your shoes. It isn't my decision, and not software with lots of users that just broke.
19:02 bremner: insert one more "my"
19:03 neilv: someone is getting shortchanged on birthday well-wishing today
19:03 eli: Bottom line is that I'm unreliable now, so I'll shut up...  I'm so tired I could sleep a horse.
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19:05 neilv: eli: the day has been saved.  take the rest of the day off
19:05 synergizm: eli do i know u from tuebingen info board?
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19:15 eli: neilv: :)  I'll probably zone out killing things on steam...  Or hack some more.  Or both.
19:15 eli: synergizm: Maybe from messages about mirrors, otherwise I'm unrelated to it.
19:16 neilv: in a fatigued state, probably best not to hack any new easter eggs
19:16 synergizm: allright kinda remembering s1 called super-eli or sth like that but not sure where from ^^
19:17 eli: synergizm: I don't know what "s1" is...
19:17 synergizm: someone
19:18 eli: Ah, then that's definitely not me.
19:18 eli: neilv: Heh, no I'm not doing any eggs, and I usually try to avoid doing any gui work as much as possible.
19:18 eli: Every time I get to that I am reminded how messy it can be...
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19:29 jhemann__: it would be nice if a class's public fields were listed in the documentation. Or is that information generally present in some form that I'm missing?
19:32 samth: jhemann__: probably the classes you're looking at don't have any public fields
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19:35 offby1: I don't always use classes, but when I do, I give them public fields
19:35 offby1 wonders if that was ever funny
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19:37 bremner: offby1: well, there is the many-universe interpretation of humour which says that every joke is funny in some universe.
19:37 bremner: but you might not want to live there.
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21:05 asumu: jhemann__: if you're referring to the GUI classes, they all use a style where fields are not public and accessor methods are provided instead.
21:06 asumu: I don't know about other classes.
21:06 jhemann__: yes, that was what I was referring to, thanks much for confirming that
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23:05 Nisstyre: What was the easter egg in DrRacket supposed to be anyway?
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23:29 samth: Nisstyre, it shows a turtle in the Racket color scheme
23:29 samth: it's quite nice
23:29 samth: eli, i can't find any post-2006 references to CLONE_TIME
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23:30 samth: but I think the right testing strategy is a linux VM and a setuid /bin/date
23:34 chandler: there's a program called "warp" from AT&T that interposes date-related libc functions
23:35 chandler: it's part of the ast-open collection
23:35 asumu: samth: the turtle is animated too, which is neat.
23:36 asumu: Good thing Racket has no leap year/day easter eggs.
23:40 chandler: samth: http://www2.research.att.com/~gsf/warp/warp.html
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