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02:30 DraX: is there an easy/obvious way to extend the tags that html module knows about?
02:30 DraX: it's missing a bunch of the html5 tags
02:31 mithos28: Probably not without changing the library, but I suspect that doing that would not be that hard
02:32 mithos28: Are you parsing xhtml? Because then you could just parse it as xml
02:35 DraX: nope html5 is not xhtml; though i could just treat it as such and not worry about it
02:36 DraX: the actual parsing algorithm (including how to handle unbalanced tags, etc) is in the spec
02:36 DraX: so if i actually cared finding an implementation of that, or implementing that would be the smart thing to do
02:36 mithos28: why would any one want to support unbalanced tags
02:36 DraX: because browsers do
02:37 mithos28: so its just the catch 22
02:37 DraX: because people write poorly formed html all the time
02:38 mithos28: and if nothing supported poorly formed html, they would learn quickly that it doesn't work
02:38 DraX: sure, but do you want to try and convince browsers, search engines, etc to not support it?
02:39 mithos28: yes, that is currently happening with javascript
02:39 mithos28: strict mode, is getting rid of all of the cruft that has built up
02:39 DraX: structured markup extraction is what i do for $JOB and I often get into arguments over whether we should be permissive of common mistakes we see regularly on the web or not
02:40 DraX: like, nobody actually understands how RDFa works
02:40 mithos28: RDFa?
02:40 DraX: rdfa is RDF in xhtml
02:40 mithos28: RDF?
02:41 DraX: heh, rdf is w3cs standard for the semantic web
02:41 DraX: basically some way to describe graph-shaped structured data using triples
02:41 DraX: and rdfa is a serialization of graph structured data into xhtml
02:41 mithos28: ah
02:42 mithos28: and what does being permissive get you?
02:42 DraX: it's actually worse than being permissive
02:42 DraX: it's breaking the spec to support common errors
02:42 DraX: i'm against it, because rdfa tends to cascade
02:42 DraX: you change the way you interpret one node and it changes a lot of meanings
02:43 DraX: but we lose, or just generate incorrect data for quite a few pages because of misuses of rdfa
02:44 DraX: turns out people are a mix of confused or sloppy a lot
02:45 DraX: oh, thanks to `foldr' i was able to get rid of all the ! operations except set-itemscope-properties!
02:45 DraX: no more box, no more twiddling scope pointer
02:46 mithos28: It seems like that should still be removable
02:46 DraX: i think it is, but it gets a bit harder to think about
02:46 DraX: i'll feel fiddling
02:46 DraX: s/feel/keep/
02:47 mithos28: Can you post the current version?
02:48 DraX: http://b2cc0b792bc357f2.paste.se/
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03:10 DraX: i think it basically requires splitting the code between a functoin that handles itemscopes and one that handles traversing and itemprops
03:11 mithos28: Probably
03:11 DraX: so every time we hit a new itemscope, we stop, itemprop-handle the entire subtree (upto an itemscope at least when we switch modes again) and then build the itemscope
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09:19 Diarmid: Is there anything particularly sweet I should look into if I find myself addicted to things like map, fold, list comprehensions, zip and the like (like itertools on Python)?  Nothing is really missing, I just wondered if there was a big pile of awesome somewhere.
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09:36 asumu: Diarmid: do you knkow about the for macros?
09:36 Diarmid: I'm afraid I don't.
09:36 asumu: rudybot: doc for
09:36 rudybot: asumu: your sandbox is ready
09:36 rudybot: asumu: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/for.html#(form._((lib._racket%2Fprivate%2Fbase..rkt)._for))
09:37 asumu: ^
09:37 asumu: (see for/fold, for/list, etc.)
09:38 asumu: Also, some cool tricks I like with Racket's list functions is that they work on multiple lists. So zip is just (map list '(1 2 3) '(a b c)).
09:39 Diarmid: I've always loved the list comprehensions and itertools in Python.  It tends to make code tiny, but still readable.  I figured since I was doing 'real' functional programming now I'd try to use it more.  Is there anything else?
09:39 asumu: Oh, the guide entry is probably more useful: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/guide/for.html
09:40 asumu: So the "for" macros are sort of the Rackety way of doing comprehensions.
09:44 Diarmid: Is it okay to use lazy racket to implement things like generators, or is that considered bad taste (like using the teachpack code)?
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09:54 asumu: Diarmid: It's probably easiest to define generators using something like sequence-generate. Lazy Racket works, but is not yet very efficient AFAIK (though that's being worked on).
09:54 asumu: rudybot: doc sequence-generate
09:54 rudybot: asumu: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/sequences.html#(def._((lib._racket%2Fprivate%2Fbase..rkt)._sequence-generate))
09:56 Diarmid: asumu: Gotcha.  Thank for pointing that out.  I also couldn't find a way to use lazy racket in a scoped form (inside parens), so I guess this solves that problem too.
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13:44 asumu: Is there any reason that there aren't call/cp, abort/cc aliases for delimited control operations?
13:44 asumu: It might make it seem like call/cc is the preferred abstraction.
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16:22 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] racket/draw: add `record-dc%' - Matthew Flatt
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18:59 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fixed bug in list/c's first-order checking code - Robby Findler
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21:38 crundar: Trying to unpack a plt archive I pulled down, getting error5, access is denied. Why would racket have these locked, and how can I safely unlock?
21:44 asumu: crundar: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/raco/unpack.html
21:44 asumu: Why are you trying to unpack it?
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21:47 crundar: working with mred-designer, think I need to build a new plugin
21:51 asumu: crundar: Ah okay. Yeah, I wish all PLaneT packages were on github.
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