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01:36 MarkSoric: Hello friendly Racket-Gurus! Wondering if I could get some assistance. It's for an assignment that'd due in oooh, about 8 hours :D
01:36 MarkSoric: http://ideone.com/zOo0l
01:36 MarkSoric: Having trouble with this question. I am supposed to write a function iappend_destructive that executes in O(1) time. Rather challenging and I'm not quite sure where I'm running astray. Any input?
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01:40 mithos28: MarkSoric: what is it supposed to do?
01:40 MarkSoric: It's supposed to append two "ilists" in constant time.
01:41 MarkSoric: My current course is working in c and racket and they make us do most of the assignments in both, I guess to highlight the differences between the two languages (?). In any case, I can get everything but iappend_destroy to work properly.
01:42 mithos28: Do you know how the algorithm is supposed to work?
01:44 MarkSoric: In c, yes.
01:44 MarkSoric: Well, actually, no, I don;t. I'm told to write it, so I guess figuring it out is up to me.
01:45 mithos28: Have you written the c version yet?
01:46 MarkSoric: What I was thinking of was to keep a "pointer" to the final element in each list as it's being consed together. When I want to append the two, I mutate that final element in the first list to the second list. Only problem is that I can't figure out how to update the lengths properly. No, I am starting the with Racket version because quite frankly, I will probably turn to seppuku if I have to work in c more tonig
01:47 mithos28: What goes wrong with the lengths?
01:48 MarkSoric: Well, when I only figured out how to find the total length of the appended lists. Which is ok until I ask for the length of the rest of an appended list.
01:49 mithos28: What run time does length have to have?
01:49 MarkSoric: The length function needs to also be O(1), which means I have to store the position as a field in the structure. I can't see how to mutate the structures without looping.
01:49 MarkSoric: Everything with the exception of copy has to be O(1)
01:51 MarkSoric: queues ?
01:51 mithos28: What is your invariant on the length field
01:52 MarkSoric: Sorry, not sure what you mean by invariant?
01:54 mithos28: What properties do you need to maintain about the value in the length field?
01:55 MarkSoric: The position field is the order in which the elements were consed onto the list
01:55 MarkSoric: Does that answer your question?
01:56 mithos28: It was more meant to make you think about it.
01:56 MarkSoric: Ah. I just can't see how to update those values without looping through the elements of the appended list
01:56 mithos28: Why do you need to update them?
02:01 MarkSoric: Because when the testing server tests my functions, it will test (length (rest (append list1 list2)))
02:01 MarkSoric: In which case, it won't give me the correct value.
02:03 mithos28: How many length fields does your list representation have?
02:04 MarkSoric: I've represented the list as a structure that has 4 field, head, tail, position, final. As each new "element" is consed to my "list", the value in the position field is incremented by one.
02:04 MarkSoric: So for a list of n elements, there are n position fields
02:04 mithos28: Why do you need so many?
02:06 MarkSoric: Because length has to run in O(1) - how else can I do it?
02:06 mithos28: How many of those fields does length check?
02:08 MarkSoric: only the most recent
02:08 mithos28: So why do you need the other ones?
02:09 MarkSoric: Because what happens if length is called on the rest of the list? They need to be there so length always taken O(1).
02:10 mithos28: If the length of list L is x, what is the length of the list (rest L)
02:11 MarkSoric: x - 1
02:11 mithos28: ok, so why do you need the other length field? You just computed the length for the rest of the list
02:12 MarkSoric: I follow what you're saying but how do I store that information?
02:12 MarkSoric: If not in a field
02:12 mithos28: look at your rest implementation
02:13 MarkSoric: Ok
02:14 mithos28: how do you calculate the length of the rest of the list?
02:14 MarkSoric: I don't - I pull it from the position field of the first element of the rest of the list
02:15 mithos28: which is different from what you did in your head when I asked you
02:15 MarkSoric: True.
02:15 mithos28: do you see how that helps with the append?
02:15 MarkSoric: I do!
02:16 MarkSoric: Except for now when I run (length (irest_destroy (iappend_destroy test1 test2))) I'm getting 11 :P
02:18 mithos28: are those the same lists as in the paste?
02:19 MarkSoric: They are, yes
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02:20 mithos28: Is the length of each of them 4?
02:20 mithos28: according to your implementation of length that is?
02:20 MarkSoric: Yep
02:21 MarkSoric: Whoa… wait a minute… that changed too now
02:22 MarkSoric: Oh, I think it's ok. Forgot to rerun so I was appended list2 on the result of spending list2 to list1.
02:22 MarkSoric: Seems ok
02:22 mithos28: ah, that is why mutation is bad
02:23 MarkSoric: I see that :P
02:26 MarkSoric: Alrighty! Well thanks a ton for the help mithos - I gotta get to bed!
02:26 MarkSoric: Have a good night!
02:27 mithos28: no problem
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05:47 offby1: rudybot: how ya feelin
05:47 rudybot: offby1: It's like if the nuclear power industry had chosen the ☢ symbol, it'd be a big blue smily face with the caption "Feelin' Fine"
05:47 offby1: rudybot: good to know; thanks
05:47 rudybot: offby1: Everyone thinks they have good reasons; doesn't mean you'll agree with them.
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06:13 aidy: is there a way to allow redifinitions of initial bindings from source?
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06:26 Diarmid: aidy: I may be too noob to help you, but if you're asking if there's mutable variables, yes.  You might be asking something about macros, though, and I probably can't help you there yet.
06:27 Diarmid: aidy: I think the people that know things are asleep at the moment.
06:28 aidy: Diarmid: that's not really what I'm asking :)
06:28 Diarmid: aidy: Okay.  I just didn't want you to think you were ignored.
06:29 aidy: I'm used to this channel being silent during US night, no worries!
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06:33 noelw: aidy: I don't understand the question
06:33 noelw: Do you mean redefinition of module bindings?
06:37 noelw: If so, the answer is yes. There is a parameter you can set to allow this
06:39 aidy: yes
06:39 aidy: can I set it from source using a #lang directive or something?
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08:31 Aune: Hello, how can I do something like (let ((A (cons 1 B)) (B (cons 2 A))) to get A -> '(1 2 1 2 ....). The structure I'm after is A = [1 | B], B = [2 | A].
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08:33 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fixed docs for quotient; Closes PR 12593 - Matthias Felleisen
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09:49 chandler: Aune: what you're looking for is called "shared"
09:50 chandler: rudybot: eval (shared ((A (cons 1 B)) (B (cons 2 A))) A)
09:50 rudybot: chandler: ; Value: #0=(1 2 . #0#)
09:50 Aune: Thanks
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11:01 Diarmid: I've found the 'ports' section of the manual (seems to correspond to Common Lisp 'streams'?) and it looks like the various 'input-file' and 'output-file' procedures are the recommended way to read and write files.
11:01 Diarmid: I also see a 'teachpack' with some directory handling procedures.
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11:01 Diarmid: What is the recommended way to do things like find subdirectories, or crawl a directory hierarchy?
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11:03 samth: Diarmid: for non-teaching purposes, don't use the teachpacks
11:03 samth: Diarmid: this might be useful: http://pre.racket-lang.org/docs/html/reference/Filesystem.html?q=find-files#%28def._%28%28lib._racket/file..rkt%29._find-files%29%29
11:03 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/7qod7no
11:04 Diarmid: samth: I figured that was the case.  I just wondered how Racket 'normally' exposed directories, and if there were any utility functions, like the hierarchy walking thing (Python comes with that and it's quite useful).
11:04 samth: Diarmid: `find-files' (what i linked to) is exactly that
11:04 samth: there's also `fold-files'
11:04 samth: rudybot: doc fold-files
11:04 rudybot: samth: your sandbox is ready
11:04 rudybot: samth: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/Filesystem.html#(def._((lib._racket%2Ffile..rkt)._fold-files))
11:04 Diarmid: Oh I see it.  I feel dumb now.
11:05 Diarmid: The stupidity should pass in a few weeks (I hope).  I just need to get oriented to the basic stuff. :P
11:07 samth: Diarmid: no worries
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11:39 cmk91: hi everybody
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11:40 cmk91: can someone help me?
11:42 cmk91: plssss help meeeeéééééé!!!!!
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11:46 noelw: If you ask a question, you might get help
11:46 noelw: …. or, you might be beyond help
11:46 noelw: who knows
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11:50 cmk91: do you know stack and queue in drracket
11:50 cmk91: ???
11:51 rapacity: wat
11:53 cmk91: stack and queue you know this structer?
11:53 cmk91: can you give me some examples about that?
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11:55 rapacity: there's a queue example in the guide have you checked that?
11:56 rapacity: http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/contracts-examples.html there's a stack and queue implementation
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12:08 cmk91: thank you for helping
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12:20 cmk91: how can we give value?<rapacity>
12:21 cmk91: I canT give any value
12:22 rapacity: you can just put any/c for value?
12:22 rapacity: to allow any kind of value
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12:24 cmk91: Noo in Drracket I can SAY
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12:30 cmk91: <rapacity>   can you same example about volue
12:31 cmk91: value
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12:34 rapacity: cmk91: check http://docs.racket-lang.org/data/Imperative_Queues.html?q=queue there's another queue implementation with examples
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12:39 cmk91: i think i understand thank you
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13:14 mut: hi everyonE
13:14 mut: stack anD queue with pop head push empty do you knOW HOW THİS CODE?
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13:18 mam: do you know about the stack anD queue with drracket its too importenT FOR ME pls help someonE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,
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13:20 mam: in stack and queue it has pop head push empty codes I never seen Before in drracket
13:20 mam: heyyy guyyys help me
13:23 mam: guyyyys its too importenT for me how can I finD THİS code?
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13:24 jonrafkind: why don't you ask your teacher
13:28 mam: because my teacher didnNt teach me
13:29 mam: so I'm askinG YOU
13:29 mam: if I KNOw I have Not ask you
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13:30 rapacity: YEah lOL
13:30 mam: hey guys help me
13:30 mam: rapacity pls help me
13:31 Diarmid: mam: Adopt a less irritating conversational method, and try to do some work on your own, and you'll have more success.  People have pointed you to the documentation for queues.  Just read what it says.
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13:35 mam: ı understanD What you say bUT I canT RUN
13:35 mam: how can  I write this code
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13:38 mam: why donT you help me ı do noT understanD
13:39 mam: noone use drracket in my araunD
13:39 mam: ı CAN help in MY ARAOUN
13:39 mam: my last chanGE İS HEAR
13:41 Kaylin isn't sure what that meant.
13:41 jonrafkind: 'my last chance is here'
13:42 jonrafkind: don't you ever decipher drunk text messages?
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13:45 Diarmid: mam: Can WrIte coD bye PreSs keYs.
13:47 mam: (define (eq/c x) (lambda (y) (eq? x y)))   (define-struct stack (list p? eq))   (define (initialize p? eq) (make-stack '() p? eq)) (define (push s x)   (make-stack (cons x (stack-list s)) (stack-p? s) (stack-eq s)))
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18:03 Diarmid: Is RSound the preferred way to play sounds using Racket?
18:05 samth: Diarmid: probably
18:05 Diarmid: Thanks.
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