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03:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.2.1.6. - Eli Barzilay
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07:45 blackguard: is there a way to turn off automatic compilation in drracket?
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08:22 bremner: blackguard: on the choose language panel (Ctrl-L) is 'populate "compiled" directories' checked?
08:22 bremner: or did you mean something else?
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08:26 blackguard: bremner: yes, thanks for pointing that out.
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09:35 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix garbled command line - Robby Findler
09:35 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Made an editing pass over the redex tutorial - Robby Findler
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10:12 testing1232323: http://pastebin.com/Q6DJdZdd
10:12 testing1232323: this runs very slowly, but it does run and the nickname does change
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10:12 Sicp: when I run the same commands on the repl, it's instantaneous
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10:41 Sicp: just needed to have flush-output at the end, not in the cond cases
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10:59 stamourv: ozzloy: On concatenative programming, or on the link?
11:03 wut: is there a good ocaml book?
11:03 noelw: there is *an* o'caml book
11:04 noelw: afaik
11:04 noelw: it is in french
11:04 wut: if I just read an ML book, will I know enough to use ocaml?
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11:10 stamourv: wut: Probably the general ideas, but probably not the syntax, or the libraries.
11:10 stamourv: You could also use Racket, of course. ;)
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11:29 wut: stamourv: already do in one of my classes :>
11:30 stamourv: wut: What are you planning to use OCaml for?
11:31 wut: nothing in particular, just for fun
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11:41 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/MmsTbg
11:41 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Infogroep mirror is back, now in http form. - Eli Barzilay
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11:46 wut: oops, just realized i'm in #racket hah
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12:27 ozzloy: stamourv, on concatenative programming.  this is the first i've heard of it.  seems pretty neat
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13:03 bremner: it's just forth, or something else?
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13:12 dyoo: bremner: I think the factor language is also concatenative
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13:13 bremner: right. But are there basic concepts in concatenative programming that are not in forth?
13:13 bremner: I guess those questions are not very tractable...
13:16 dyoo: bremner: Concatenative.org might be a good resouce for this.
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14:47 stamourv: ozzloy: I played around with that a bit, and it mostly feels like point-free style in a functional language.
14:47 stamourv: So, you can get cute little combinators, but everything is anonymous, which can be problematic.
14:48 stamourv: The factor folks had a paper at DLS last year, IIRC. May be worth checking out, if you're interested.
14:48 stamourv: But my overall impression is: cute idea, makes some small examples look nice, but makes it harder to write large systems.
14:49 stamourv: (that was about concatenative programming in general, not factor in particular)
14:50 jonrafkind: thats my opinion of concatenative programming as well
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15:02 jonrafkind: (define x (syntax-property #'(1 2 3) 'dog 'woof))
15:02 jonrafkind: (with-syntax ([(z ...) x])
15:02 jonrafkind: (syntax-property (datum->syntax x #'(z ...) x x) 'dog))
15:03 jonrafkind: why is the syntax property taken at the end there #f?
15:06 chandler: "If v is not already a syntax object, then the resulting immediate syntax object is given the properties (see Syntax Object Properties) of prop"
15:06 jonrafkind: "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
15:07 chandler: eh?
15:07 jonrafkind: did you have a purpose in quoting the manual?
15:07 chandler: Doesn't it answer the question?
15:07 jonrafkind: i dont think so
15:07 jonrafkind: in what way does it?
15:08 chandler: "v" in this context is #'(z ...) which is already a syntax object without any properties
15:09 jonrafkind: oh.. so it means that if 'v' is a syntax object then it won't have the source properties copied I guess
15:10 jonrafkind: thats not really explicitly stated
15:14 jonrafkind: hm now whats the easiest way to copy all the syntax properties over..
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17:25 rvaiya: hey guys, i am using vim to compile my racket code but want to test it using repl
17:26 rvaiya: ie i want to use the "racket" program to run my code then interact with it using REPL
17:26 rvaiya: like executing it after using drrscheme
17:26 rvaiya: problem is after i run it using racket $filename, it doesnt give me an interactive prompt
17:26 rvaiya: and if i run it with -i it doesn't load my code first
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17:36 stamourv: rvaiya: Use `enter!' in the regular REPL.
17:36 stamourv: rudybot: doc enter!
17:36 stamourv: Oh, rudybot is gone.
17:36 rvaiya: :D
17:36 stamourv: rvaiya: Also, have a look at xrepl, it makes the REPL a _lot_ nicer.
17:36 rvaiya: thanks
17:37 rvaiya: i'll look into those
17:37 stamourv: There's also something in the docs about using Racket with vim.
17:37 stamourv: http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/other-editors.html
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17:49 samth: what happened to rudybot?
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18:16 stamourv: samth: Dunno. offby1 is gone too.
18:17 samth: stamourv: yeah, weird
18:17 samth: and from #scheme
18:17 stamourv: His ec2 instance must have crashed.
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18:21 samth: stamourv: i wasn't aware that offby1 was a bot as well :)
18:23 stamourv: You clearly have not been paying attention.
18:24 bremner: samth: I suppose you are claiming not to be a bot.
18:24 samth: bremner: you'll have to come visit ;)
18:25 bremner: you in boston?
18:26 samth: bremner: yes
18:26 bremner: It could happen. I've been to boston a few times.
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19:16 PfhorSlayer: Are there any tools that can help understand macro expansion better than the DrRacket Macro Stepper?
19:16 PfhorSlayer: Like, it'd be super helpful if I could see what the bindings for everything were
19:16 PfhorSlayer: as the macro is being expanded
19:17 jonrafkind: well you can use check syntax
19:17 jonrafkind: the macro stepper will show you bindings
19:17 PfhorSlayer: How?
19:17 jonrafkind: move the mouse cursor over a binding
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19:18 PfhorSlayer: Ah, interesting
19:18 PfhorSlayer: That's helpful :)
19:19 PfhorSlayer: It doesn't seem to do all of them, though...
19:19 PfhorSlayer: also, being able to see what lexical scope the binding applies to would help
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19:20 PfhorSlayer: though maybe if I just understood everything better that wouldn't be an issue
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19:29 ozzloy: stamourv, funny, that's what i've heard about functional programming, and then i heard it about lisp.  "cute idea, but you can't build anything big out of it."
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20:09 PfhorSlayer: Can anyone recommend some good macro references that can help me understand how expansion and everything works, in a way that's a bit more clear than reading the reference?
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21:03 PfhorSlayer: is there any way to get access to the pattern list of a syntax-rules or syntax-case?
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21:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/CbUo9g
21:30 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] `handle-evt' cannot wrap `handle-evt' - Matthew Flatt
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23:06 asumu: PfhorSlayer: Are you trying to understand how the expander works in a technical sense (like how it's implemented?) or just in terms of writing macros?
23:07 asumu: Also with syntax-case you can use syntax bound in the pattern programmatically.
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23:08 asumu: Hmm, no rudybot?
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23:11 asumu: PfhorSlayer: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127796 (if that's the kind of thing you mean)
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