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00:53 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fixed a bug in recent Redex internal pattern rewrite - Robby Findler
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07:27 Blkt: good morning everyone
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11:15 yoklov: why is there a distinction between writing, printing, and displaying?
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11:16 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] redex: minor cleanup - Robby Findler
11:16 yoklov: and is there an easy way to remember the difference?
11:17 chturne: yoklov, use WRITE when you're considering READ'ing the expression back in. Use display otherwise isn't a bad yardstick.
11:18 yoklov: right, okay.
11:18 chturne: There's quite a bit of information on the web if you want more details. :-)
11:18 yoklov: typically i've noticed that i always want display
11:18 yoklov: haha
11:19 yoklov: but that sort of makes sense
11:19 yoklov: and print is usually the same as write but not guaranteed to be?
11:21 chturne: I think print is considered safe to "override", i.e., to modify it's typical output format.  But it's probably not wise to go monkying around with write's output format.
11:22 yoklov: hrm, override in what way?
11:23 chturne: yoklov, http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/eval.html#%28def._%28%28quote._~23~25kernel%29._current-print%29%29
11:23 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/c279ffs
11:23 chturne: There's *loads* of stuff you can do, I'm not that familiar with it though. :-(
11:24 yoklov: yeah
11:24 yoklov: same haha
11:25 yoklov: i hadn't really ever noticed that though, i was messing around trying to figure out what the parameters for prop:custom-write's function do
11:25 yoklov: / mean
11:27 yoklov: there are a lot of weird parameters and pages in the documentation typically loose my interest when they get to language-level stuff like that
11:28 chturne: It's very hard to strike an appropriate balance between comprehensive documentation and engaging documentation driven by examples and such.
11:28 chturne: More experienced programmers just want the details, less experienced ones want the examples, and of course there's a continuum in between :-)
11:30 yoklov: right
11:30 chturne: Of course, Racket seems to have noticed the dichotomy and provides the Racket Guide and the Racket Reference.
11:31 yoklov: right
11:33 yoklov: racket has stellar documentation as a whole (especially compared to other languages), but it covers so much that a lot of things need to be tried out to be understood
11:38 chturne: That's often the case with a concept in a practical area like computer programming.
11:38 chturne: (Well, all areas I suppose "active learning" and all that)
11:41 yoklov: yeah, racket does have more… parts than other languages thoguh.
11:41 yoklov: or at least
11:42 yoklov: more difficult to understand ones
11:43 chturne: Hm
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11:44 chturne: Maybe they're just not being explained well?
11:44 yoklov: maybe.
11:44 chturne: What parts of Racket do you consider difficult to understand?
11:45 chturne: (I'm not suggesting everything is so easy, more the relative difficulty compared to other languages)
11:45 yoklov: macros, and continuations are probably at the top of the list haha
11:46 yoklov: i get syntax-rules but not really syntax case and i get what a continuation is, and can use call/cc to do basic stuff but more than that is really beyond me.
11:46 yoklov: i feel like i dont really get the object oriented stuff though i've done a lot of it
11:46 yoklov: i mean the racket specific stuff
11:47 yoklov: idk, i dont think its a documentation problem
11:47 yoklov: theres a lot to cover.
11:47 chturne: I see.
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11:47 chturne: Continuations really "clicked" with my after reading the Seasoned Schemer.
11:47 yoklov: also i havent been programming for a particularly long time.
11:48 yoklov: i get them
11:48 yoklov: they're the function the expression returns to, essentially
11:48 yoklov: i think
11:49 yoklov: but then when 'continuation marks' or 'prompt tags' get involved
11:49 yoklov: my eyes glaze over and i just sorta stare at the text.
11:49 chturne: You might find it instructive to try implementing continuations, then.
11:50 yoklov: haha, i tried to do a cps rewriter after doing chapter 4 of sicp
11:50 yoklov: that would have allowed me to have call/cc in the metacircular evaluator
11:50 yoklov: btu
11:50 yoklov: i did not have the chops lol
11:52 chturne: Compiling with Continuations is another great source of information, I'd recommend learning ML before trying it though, if you don't already know it.
11:53 yoklov: haha, nope, and i actually had seen that before but its definitely not worth 70 dollars (current price on amazon) to me, especially when its in ML
11:56 yoklov: anyway thanks a bunch, i gotta take off
11:56 yoklov: bye
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23:14 novato_nl: jonrafkind, let's start a war
23:14 novato_nl: start a nuclear war
23:15 novato_nl: at the gaybar, gaybar, gaybar
23:15 jonrafkind: hell yea
23:15 jonrafkind: i want to dig a tunnel, straight to the moon!
23:15 novato_nl: Hey hey
23:15 novato_nl: no quantum sliptstream tunnels here
23:15 novato_nl: stuff goes wrong
23:15 novato_nl: Like
23:15 novato_nl: Imagine this
23:15 novato_nl: You have an aperture whch is above the entrance
23:15 novato_nl: you drop a box or something else with mass into it
23:15 novato_nl: it retains momentum
23:16 novato_nl: And it comes out of it higher
23:16 novato_nl: so it gains potential energy out of no-where
23:16 novato_nl: it forever keeps acceralerating
23:16 novato_nl: energy out of no-where
23:16 mithos28: novato_nl: it comes from the gibbs free energy
23:16 novato_nl: the universe will explode
23:16 novato_nl: YES
23:16 novato_nl: It is very dangerous
23:16 novato_nl: of course
23:17 novato_nl: this can easily be remedied by saying that whatever keeps the wormhole alive must input that exact amount of energy
23:20 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/8K0_yA
23:20 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] redex: inline lookup-binding - Robby Findler
23:20 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] redex: use predicate/c instead of (-> any/c boolean?) - Robby Findler
23:20 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] redex: memoize only the non-terminal patterns - Robby Findler
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