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08:29 Neban: Hi, two questions about DrRacket.
08:30 Neban: a) How do I move between the definitions window and the interactions window?
08:30 Neban: I'm currently using C-e, C-d, but that hides one of them, I would like both to be always visible.
08:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/MPUATA
08:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix infinite recursive signatures. - Mike Sperber
08:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] In the DMdA languages, create arbitrary for record signature without fields. - Mike Sperber
08:31 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] For DMdA languages, document which signatures work with `check-property'. - Mike Sperber
08:31 Neban: and: b) Is it possible to evaluate code and have the result put in the definitions window? I find myself copy/pasting things like caches.
08:38 RacketCommitBot: [racket] plt pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/8ldZOg
08:38 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Fix for line3d's `create-viewport-matrix'. - Mike Sperber
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12:04 eli: tauntaun: You should see the paper for examples on that.
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14:29 tauntaun: eli: I can't find a reference on the blog post itself.  What's the title? Authors?
14:30 samth: tauntaun: barzilay, culpepper and flatt, scheme workshop 2011
14:32 samth: tauntaun: http://scheme2011.ucombinator.org/papers/Barzilay2011.pdf
14:33 tauntaun: samth: thanks!
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15:40 tauntaun: samth and/or eli: Is there a typo in that paper, at the top right of page 2?
15:41 tauntaun: I'm wondering if the defined syntax parameters should be 'abort' and 'it', rather than 'forever' and 'aif'(?)
15:48 samth: tauntaun: i think you're right
15:49 samth: eli: you should fix that, and also put it on ccs/racket/pubs/
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16:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fixed typo - Ryan Culpepper
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16:55 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] pruned unstable/define - Ryan Culpepper
17:25 tauntaun: Well guys, it's a very nice paper.  But the writing is occasionally difficult to follow and has left me a little lost on a couple of points.
17:26 samth: tauntaun: it's a pretty technical paper if you aren't into lots of macrology
17:27 tauntaun: samth: I'm actually saying that it's hard for me to understand things accurately when the antecedents of pronouns are ambiguous, or when sentences don't seem to make perfect sense, etc.
17:27 samth: tauntaun: ah
17:28 tauntaun: Otherwise, the paper's argument is laid out nicely and compellingly.
17:28 samth: i encourage you to collect places like that and email them to eli
17:28 tauntaun: ok
17:30 jonrafkind: that is how eli talks due  to his israeli influence on language
17:31 jonrafkind: they seem to eschew pronouns when its "obvious" whats missing
17:31 tauntaun: Actually, jonrafkind, we (Americans) are the worse speakers of English.  Eli's English is excellent by comparison.
17:32 jonrafkind: well.. i disagree
17:32 jonrafkind: english as spoken by americans is much more explicit than the form used by eli
17:34 tauntaun: well.. I disagree :) I don't think anyone disrespects the rules of English grammar and syntax as terribly as we have.  I find that English is used more precisely and correctly by foreign speakers who have been drilled in the general principles of grammar.
17:34 tauntaun: That's not to say that the paper is free of grammatical psuedo-errors, though...
17:34 jonrafkind: grammatical errors are orthogonal to being explicit
17:34 jonrafkind: mostly
17:34 samth: tauntaun: it's possible the some non-native speakers are excellent, but that eli doesn't always write perfectly
17:36 tauntaun: Of course Israelis and Germans and Russians don't speak/write perfectly, but I've found that they do so much better than we in this country do.  Anyway, this doesn't seem like it's going to be a constructive debate.  Suffice it to say that I wish I were the editor on scientific publications; and I'm sorry that sounds arrogant.  ;-)
17:41 jonrafkind: but fwiw there are a lot of references and ambiguity in scientific papers that are hard to resolve unless you are intimantely knowledgeable about the subject at hand
17:43 samth: jonrafkind: that's only true if you aren't writing well enough
17:43 tauntaun: samth: indeed.
17:43 jonrafkind: yes, my point is most papers are not written well enough
17:44 tauntaun: I use syntax-rules and syntax-case.  A good part of my difficulty with the paper is purely interpretive.
17:45 tauntaun: And since I'm sounding off on this point, I may as well add that some part of the Racket docs are memorably beautiful, but others are memorably...not :)
17:45 tauntaun: (part->parts)
17:46 tauntaun: ...and by "not beautiful" I mean "almost indecipherable".
17:50 samth: tauntaun: if you point them out, we can fix them
17:50 samth: bug reports are the best vehicle for that
17:51 tauntaun: samth: the list would be endless, and they are obviously low-priority in comparison to the central work.
17:52 tauntaun: However, I'd love an opportunity to edit a couple of the pages completely and submit the rewrites for your consideration (you can take it or leave it, obviously).
17:52 samth: tauntaun: the docs are all in the repository
17:52 samth: feel free to edit them, and send a patch
17:52 samth: or submit a pull request on github
17:52 tauntaun: Wow.  That's an offer I probably can't refuse.
17:55 samth: the docs are mostly in "collects/scribblings"
17:55 samth: for example, the reference is in "collects/scribblings/reference/..."
17:55 tauntaun: Yes, it mirrors the local installation...
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20:59 yoklov: hey, if i refer to a file, say "img.png" in my code, and then I'm planning on using raco exe and raco distribute, what exactly would i have to do to bundle that image so everything still works?
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