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06:36 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix a corner case for `find-relative-path' - Matthew Flatt
06:36 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] guard a use of get-root-data in the token tree implementation - Robby Findler
06:36 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Symch German string constants with latest. - Mike Sperber
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06:37 eli: samth_away: The "Message Without Join" thing is definitely not working.  I turned it off now.  If you'll remember in a few weeks we can try it again to see if it's fixed.
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09:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] doc clarifications and tests for some file-locking corners - Matthew Flatt
09:29 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] fix a path test for windows - Matthew Flatt
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10:18 ApeShot: The Rackety idiom doesn't seem to be to document things _in_ source code, right?
10:18 ApeShot: The apropriate thing is to provide a separate scribble document?
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10:39 asumu: ApeShot: For API documentation,  yes it's preferred to use scribble.
10:40 asumu: But providing internal documentation (purpose, contracts of functions) is fine Racket style.
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14:10 samth: eli: annoying, isn't it
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14:37 rapacity: in order for an irc client to message a channel without joining, the channel's "n" mode flag must be off
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14:40 jamessan: ah, so that's what it means instead of just having the bot idle in the channel and report commits as they happen
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14:54 RacketCommitBot: [racket/master] Add place ffi, fd, and port changes to HISTORY.txt - Kevin Tew
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14:56 samth: rapacity: i was thinking that it would be like jamessan described
14:56 samth: eli: see above comment by rapacity
14:56 samth: rapacity: how do i turn the n mode off?
14:57 rapacity: /mode #racket -n
14:57 samth: dammit
14:57 samth: rapacity: any idea how i can make chanserv not do that?
14:58 rapacity: I guess you need to turn mlock off
14:59 rapacity: /msg chanserv set #racket mlock off
14:59 rapacity: then do it
14:59 samth: eli: please try again w/ the github bot
15:00 samth: thanks, rapacity
15:00 rapacity: np
15:01 samth: good to have someone who understands irc around here
15:05 mithos28: is there any way of using (sufficiently interesting) untyped macros in typed racket other than porting the implementation?
15:06 mithos28: the main problem I have is the macro expanding into code that uses untyped bindings
15:10 samth: mithos28: is there a way you make the macro let you annotate the identifiers?
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15:12 mithos28: not in this case, they are hidden exports of the untyped module
15:12 mithos28: but thanks for that method, I forgot about it
15:12 samth: mithos28: in that case, you're pretty stuck
15:13 samth: sorry
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15:13 mithos28: ok so the next question is how are the modules chosen to be in the base environment?
15:14 mithos28: versus put in typed/...
15:14 samth: mithos28: the goal (long-term) is that if you do (require racket/something), then you can just use it without having to specify types
15:15 samth: but we don't have a very clear critera for what goes in racket/... vs other collections
15:15 mithos28: ok so in particular I'm working with foreign/ffi
15:16 mithos28: oh ffi/unsafe
15:16 mithos28: I got confused on module names
15:18 mithos28: would it be bad to reimplement the macros in typed/ffi/unsafe?
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15:19 samth: mithos28: i've started working recently on making the ffi work, so i wouldn't spend a lot of time on it
15:19 mithos28: is it the tree?
15:20 samth: no, not yet
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15:20 mithos28: ok. Thanks for that. I'll just work around it for now then.
15:26 samth: mithos28: are you out in MV now?
15:27 mithos28: yep
15:27 samth: what do you work on?
15:27 mithos28: been out here for a month
15:28 mithos28: adsense infrastructure
15:28 samth: silicon valley isn't really as nice as providence
15:28 mithos28: no hurricanes
15:28 mithos28: no rain
15:28 samth: true
15:28 mithos28: and 65-75 every day
15:28 samth: just strip malls as far as the eye can see
15:29 mithos28: true
15:30 mithos28: the problem being on PST is that everyone is off IRC by the time I get home
15:31 samth: elly (who's at google cambridge) seems to hang around #scheme during the day
15:34 mithos28: I'm not usually on #scheme, is it any good?
15:35 samth: not really -- i'm just saying that some google folks trade productivty for hanging out on irc during the day :)
15:38 mithos28: i'm still not very productive there, hopefully in a few months I will have groked the systems I need to know
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18:45 wtetzner: I'm getting a 'format-id unbound' error when trying the first example at http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/syntax-util.html
18:45 wtetzner: http://pastebin.com/NUQtdxP9
18:45 wtetzner: anyone know why this would happen?
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18:51 jonrafkind: (require (for-syntax racket/syntax))
18:51 jonrafkind: you need the racket/syntax library at phase 1 (the syntax phase)
18:51 jonrafkind: becuase thats the phase thats executing when your macro transformer is running
18:51 wtetzner: awesome, thanks jonrafkind
18:53 wtetzner: so if you want to use a function when transforming syntax, does it have to be define in a separate module?
18:53 wtetzner: defined*
18:55 jonrafkind: you can define functions for higher phases in racket already, and as of last week you can define functions for arbitrary phases
18:56 jonrafkind: (define-for-syntax (foo x) ...) (define-syntax (blah) (foo 1))
18:56 wtetzner: oh, cool
18:57 jonrafkind: if you are not using the absolute latest racket then sometimes you have to put functions in other modules to use them at various phases
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20:10 aflag: hello. In tcp-listen documentation it says (tcp-listen port-no [max-allow-wait reuse? hostname]). Can't I set hostname without max-allow-wait and reuse? ?
20:10 aflag: I tried #:hostname "127.0.0.1" but it didn't work
20:19 jonrafkind: well you can pass the defaults for now, I suppose
20:20 jonrafkind: but probably you are right, those default parameters should be keyword arguments instead
20:20 jonrafkind: do you want to make a bug report about it?
20:20 aflag: sure
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23:21 eli: samth_away: So, it works now, but I worry that this opens the door for easier spamming.  Something to keep an eye for.
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