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00:16 eli: rudybot: eval #lang foo (printf "blah\n")
00:16 rudybot: eli: error: standard-module-name-resolver: collection not found: #<path:foo/lang> in any of: (#<path:/home/ec2-user/.racket/5.1.1/collects> #<path:/usr/local/racket/collects>)
00:16 eli: rudybot: eval #lang racket (printf "blah\n")
00:16 rudybot: eli: Done.
00:17 eli: rudybot: (require 'program)
00:17 rudybot: eli: Done.
00:17 eli: rudybot: eval #lang racket (define x 123)
00:17 rudybot: eli: Done.
00:17 eli: rudybot: (require 'program)
00:17 rudybot: eli: Done.
00:17 eli: rudybot: x
00:17 rudybot: eli: error: reference to an identifier before its definition: x in module: 'program
00:45 em: offby1: I was thinking maybe make a user interface with html/css/javascript that writes data to a file which is processed by racket and outputs an .html file to be viewed in a browser.
00:46 em: That's the only way I can see to use racket to make an application that isn't in a console like drracket.
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01:36 offby1: you can do traditional desktop GUIs, too.  In theory, you can run them outside of DrRacket.
01:36 offby1: I think you use "gracket"
01:36 offby1: didn't I say that yesterday?
02:01 em: nope
02:02 eli: em: Yes, you can write GUI code and run it with gracket.  Or you can write some simple text code and run it with racket.  Or write some network code and make it into a server.  Or use the web server.
02:02 eli: It all depends on how your application wants to interact with whoever uses your code.
02:02 em: I will try to learn gracket.
02:03 em: I want to basically make like an interactive note taking program.
02:03 eli: So, first write the code so it runs in drracket.
02:03 eli: Then, just run the resulting file in gracket.
02:04 em: eli: huh? that works?
02:04 eli: Yes, of course.
02:05 em: so you can compile what you wrote to run in drracket with raco and then do gracket resultingfile.rkt ?
02:05 eli: No, you don't even need to compile.
02:05 eli: Here, type this into drracket's definition window:
02:05 eli: #lang racket/gui
02:05 eli: (define frame (new frame% [label "Foo"] [min-width 100] [min-height 100]))
02:05 eli: (send frame show #t)
02:06 eli: Then hit the Run button.
02:07 em: it made a window like thing
02:07 eli: OK, now close the window, then save the file.
02:07 eli: Which OS are you on?
02:07 em: okay
02:07 em: linux
02:07 em: ubuntu
02:07 eli: OK, so now just go to a terminal window, and enter
02:07 eli: "racket wherever/your/file/is.rkt"
02:08 em: okay
02:08 eli: (On linux you don't even need gracket -- racket will do fine.)
02:09 em: it turns out you do need to use gracket
02:10 eli: em: No, you shouldn't need it -- unless you're using a very old version.
02:10 eli: (Something before 5.1)
02:10 em: http://pastebin.com/fQvh3aPZ
02:11 em: eli: ^
02:11 em: lemme see what my version is.
02:11 eli: em: run "racket -v"
02:11 em: em@maxwell:~$ racket -v
02:11 em: Welcome to Racket v5.0.2.
02:11 em: em@maxwell:~$
02:12 eli: ThereYouGo.
02:12 eli: In your version, gracket is racket + a huge pile of C++ code for a GUI library.
02:12 em: I see.
02:12 eli: In newer versions (5.1 and up) gracket is racket + smaller pile of racket code for a gui library.
02:12 em: maybe i can somehow get rid of the version i have and get the better one but that's tricky for me.
02:12 eli: So it runs in racket too.
02:13 eli: Why is it tricky?
02:13 em: because i compiled the version i have here from source. since this was before racket had any presence in the ubuntu repos.
02:13 em: im not sure if it does yet.
02:13 eli: It doesn't matter -- just use our installer.
02:14 em: and im okay with compiling from source but im less confident about getting rid of something i compiled from source.
02:14 eli: You don't need to get rid of it.
02:14 eli: Do this:
02:14 em: i can probably do it by just rm -rf the directory i installed into.
02:14 eli: 1. go to racket-lang.org
02:14 em: okay
02:14 eli: 2. click the download.
02:14 em: yes ive been there.
02:14 eli: 3. choose the ubuntu build
02:15 eli: (we use jaunty, whatever that means)
02:15 em: At the time i was there the intaller was for an older version of ubuntu than I use, but maybe that doesn't matter.
02:15 eli: 4. download the sh
02:15 eli: 4. download the sh file
02:15 eli: then run the file with "sh the-downloaded-file"
02:15 eli: Then it will ask you about a unix-style install -- say no (or hit enter since this is the default)
02:15 em: yeah jaunty is is like Ubuntu 9.04 and I have Ubuntu 10.10
02:16 eli: Hold on a sec.
02:16 em: the Ubuntu number scheme is year.month
02:16 em: and it is every 6 months a new release.
02:16 eli: How can you tell which version an ubuntu is?
02:17 em: maybe uname -a
02:17 eli: No.
02:17 eli: Ugh.
02:17 eli: OK, the download page is lying.
02:17 eli: The build machine is running
02:17 eli: Ubuntu 9.10, Karmic
02:18 em: yes that comes right after Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty
02:18 eli: So that's the build we have.
02:18 eli: In any case, just try it.
02:18 em: then came Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid, and I have Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick.
02:18 em: Okay
02:18 eli: After you say no to the unix-style question, it will ask you about a directory to install it to.
02:18 eli: Write some name of some new directory.
02:18 em: Okay
02:18 eli: Then see if it works.
02:18 eli: If it doesn't, then it'll just remove itself.
02:19 eli: And tell me how it goes, so I'll tell you what to do next.
02:19 em: I will do this Eli but please excuse me if I wait until tomorrow when I can feel less stressful.
02:19 eli: BTW, do you know how to install a PPA?
02:19 em: Yeah probably.
02:19 eli: (No problem, though tomorrow I probably won't be around.)
02:20 em: It's okay.
02:20 eli: So if you know about PPAs, on of the guys is making a Racket PPA for every release.
02:20 em: That would be the ideal ting.
02:20 em: thing.
02:20 em: I'll do that.
02:20 em: I trust Racket.
02:20 eli: I'll search the mails, just a second.
02:21 eli: https://launchpad.net/~plt/+archive/racket
02:21 em: Thanks!
02:21 eli: And he updates it after every release, so if you get that, you should be able to keep up easily.
02:22 eli: (At least that's what I understand PPAs are for.)
02:22 eli is on Fedora
02:23 em: yeah that's what PPAs are for!
02:23 eli: So ThereYouGo.
02:23 em: It's basically like adding it to the repository for apt but it's not in the Ubuntu repository.
02:24 eli: BTW, it's jonrafkind who did it.
02:24 em: Oh he's the best.
02:24 eli: Shhh, don't say that so loud.
02:25 em: hehehe
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02:29 eli: offby1: ^
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02:36 eli starts singing a lullaby
02:37 offby1: eli: do "cat /etc/issue" to see which flavor of Ubuntu you have.
02:37 offby1: Unfortunately that doesn't include the silly code name
02:37 offby1: I generally edit that file to add the code name, because I can never remember.
02:38 offby1: and now it's bed time
02:38 eli: offby1: I used /etc/lsb-release
02:42 eli: samth_away: If the code you were referring to is that TFIDF thing, then that's really nothing exciting...
02:44 Fulax: Hm, Is there a clean way to disable the call to ldconfig during make install? I mean, other than patching src/Makefile.in for removing $(MAKE) lib-finish
02:46 eli: Fulax: Where's that call done, and why do you want to disable it?
02:47 Fulax: eli; it is done in "install-common-middle", just before invoking raco-setup with my options
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02:48 Fulax: eli; I'm compiling racket into a sandbox (Gentoo ebuild), and when the build system issue "ldconfig -n /usr/lib", this cause libtool to rebuild symlinks for my libraries un /usr/lib, causing a sandbox violation (and cancelling the whole build)
02:49 eli: Fulax: Do you see ldconfig in the file?
02:49 eli: ..in the Makefile?
02:49 eli: I only see 4 subgoals for that target: install-plot, no-run, install-gracket-post-collects, lib-finish
02:50 Fulax: eli; nope, it is calling @LIBFINISH@ $(libdir)
02:51 eli: Fulax: OK, that's the source "Makefile.in" file, not the resulting one.
02:51 eli: You're probably building with shared libraries on.
02:52 Fulax: I do
02:52 Fulax: the resulting one is:
02:52 eli: Any particular reason?
02:52 Fulax: lib-finish:
02:52 Fulax: /var/tmp/portage/dev-scheme/racket-5.1.3/work/racket-5.1.3/src/lt/libtool --mode=finish "$(libdir)"
02:52 Fulax: is "shared libraries are cool" a valid reason? :)
02:53 eli: Not really.
02:53 eli: They'd help you a tiny bit in theory if you were to run lots of racket processes.
02:54 eli: The build should work, but I know nothing about libtool black magic, or why it does what it does, or why your sandbox build fails the way it fails.
02:54 eli: But an easy way around this whole thing is to just drop the shared libraries.
02:55 Fulax: I can understand, but in Gentoo we want to let that choice to the user, so we have to ensure that it builds correctly in both cases
02:56 eli: OK, that's why I asked -- do *you* have a reason to try shared libraries?
02:56 eli: If you're making some public package then that could be a reason.
02:57 Fulax: personally no, but I'm helping the maintainers to test the public package
02:58 eli: In that case, why don't you ask them how they let the build go through?
02:58 eli: I know that there were gentoo builds, so someone must have dealt with it.
03:01 Fulax: We don't provide binary packages
03:03 Fulax: the build actually works, it just that the sandbox kill the build because libtool called ldconfig that touched files outside the sandbox
03:04 Fulax: I'm not saying it is racket's fault, I was just wondering for a way to make the build not calling libtool --mode=finish is case of a shared libraries build
03:08 eli: Fulax: I know that gentoo is doing source distributions, but that's all I know.  The sandbox issue with ldconfig is news to me.
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