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00:39 eli has pictures of tauntaun's memories
00:39 eli: (At least some of them.)
00:39 tauntaun: :)
00:40 tauntaun: I know...I viewed them recently...and became sad at how much thinner I was...
00:42 tauntaun: eli: I'm going to switch to an Emacs-based IRC client, at least for a while.  Do you recommend ERC, or something else?
00:42 eli: tauntaun: BTW, Gil, the guy we visited, later moved to a different place in Canada, then went back to Israel, and recently moved to Georgia.
00:42 eli: Re IRC client I use rcirc -- very easy to configure.
00:42 tauntaun: I know; you told me when we chatted.
00:43 tauntaun: (That was Re Gil)
00:44 eli: :)  Yeah, I figured that.  (Though I don't remember talking about him...)
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02:22 racket: [racket/master] fix a stepper bug related to recent change to handling of module-level defines - John Clements
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03:50 racket: [racket/master] New Racket version 5.1.1.9. - Eli Barzilay
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08:51 racket: [racket/master] PPC JIT repairs - Matthew Flatt
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09:20 racket: [racket/master] better title in preperation for merging with Guillaume - Matthias Felleisen
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09:27 racket: [racket/master] specialize "slow" `unsafe-vector*-ref', etc. after all - Matthew Flatt
09:27 racket: [racket/master] string allocation tweak - Matthew Flatt
09:27 racket: [racket/master] fix decompile of define-values-for-syntax - Matthew Flatt
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09:55 ChibaPet: I'm curious if anyone has examples of very-high-load web-or-otherwise services written in Racket.
09:57 _p4bl0: Hacker News is coded in Arc which is implemented in Racket
09:59 ChibaPet: Ah, cool.
09:59 ChibaPet: Hacker News counts as high volume. I can never keep up with posts there. It makes me want newsreader functionality so I can track what I've seen and not.
10:00 ChibaPet: I wonder if they publish traffic stastistics.
10:00 _p4bl0: http://ycombinator.com/images/hntraffic-9feb11.png
10:01 _p4bl0: (from http://ycombinator.com/newsnews.html, "9 Feb 2011: HN Now Serving 1 Million Pages Per Day")
10:01 ChibaPet: Hm, not quite SlashDot, but reasonable. The site never feels sluggish.
10:02 _p4bl0: :-)
10:03 ChibaPet: Hm, that link says they're running mzscheme. Did the name not change to mzracket?
10:06 ChibaPet: Interesting. The January update notes that they're using a heavily threaded architecture. Are they actually using heavyweight threads in bulk?
10:07 _p4bl0: ChibaPet: I think mzscheme is racket/base but I'm not 100% sure of that, can someone confirm this?
10:08 ChibaPet: I'm more curious about the mention of threads.
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10:09 ChibaPet: Does Racket offer access to select/epoll/whatever more-or-less painlessly?
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10:21 ChibaPet: Here's an answer to that: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.racket.devel/2235
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10:48 samth: eli: how do you know tauntaun?
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11:30 kaiku: hello. anyone know any libraries for manipulating a "DOS command line windonw"
11:31 kaiku: what i need is to be able to write ASCII anywhere on the window in differetn colors. I want to make an ASCII based game, or a "roguelike"
11:39 Daemmerung: Search the mailing list archives for references to curses or ncurses, and FFI wrappers for same.  You could also use the Win32 console functions (making an assumption based on you calling it "DOS command line"), but I know that ncurses has been wrapped several times.
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11:42 Daemmerung: If that seems too hairy, consider using racket/gui and making your own not-quite-a-DOS-command-line window.
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11:42 racket: [racket/master] Fix test to avoid differences in printing. - Vincent St-Amour
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11:47 kaiku: thanks for the keywords, maybe i'll figure these things out soon, Daemmerung
11:49 Daemmerung: Keywords: curses, ncurses, ffi, foreign function interface
11:52 Daemmerung: I'll try to be less opaque.  You will probably find it easier to create a game using a racket/gui window.  No FFI ot mysterious third-party libraries necessary.  You can draw single characters of text at locations in that window that would correspond to cursor locations in a roguelike text window.
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12:24 racket: [racket/master] Add real->double-flonum to the JIT. - Vincent St-Amour
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12:28 jonrafkind: eli, did you post the wrong link?
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12:35 eli: jonrafkind: ?
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12:35 jonrafkind: http://substack.net/posts/eed898
12:35 jonrafkind: there is no contest here
12:35 jonrafkind: its just ssome guy rambling about javascript
12:36 stamourv: jonrafkind: I think he meant competition as in people competing with us.
12:36 eli: jonrafkind: No, that's the right link.
12:36 eli: It was "competition" in the most sarcastic tone I could find.
12:36 jonrafkind: mmk
12:37 eli: Just read it.
12:37 stamourv: Well, as far a picking silly names, they beat us hands down.
12:37 stamourv: `burrito'? `microwave'?
12:37 stamourv: `mred' pales in comparison.
12:37 eli: jonrafkind: It's specifically *your* competition.
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12:37 eli: In that they would, um, *cough*, eventually get to macros in an infix langugae.
12:38 eli: stamourv: Yeah, but the content is even funnier.
12:38 jonrafkind: i guess, it looks like some boring AST traversal thing
12:39 jonrafkind: which is exactly the wrong way to make macros
12:39 eli raises voice
12:39 eli: jonrafkind: No, that's the *right* way.
12:39 eli shhhhs silently
12:40 jonrafkind: awwww yeaaaaa
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12:40 eli: Chronologically, that's probably around 1960 or so.
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12:42 Daemmerung: stamourv: I think java-anything signifies "cloyingly twee codenames."  As so Java, as so Javascript.
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12:46 racket: [racket/master] generalize `defform' & co. to better support abstraction - Matthew Flatt
12:46 racket: [racket/master] fix formating of duplicated syntax descriptions - Matthew Flatt
12:46 racket: [racket/master] more consistent *SL primitive descriptions - Matthew Flatt
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12:49 tomppa: Does the Datalog language allow wildcards ('_')? I just get 'wildcard not allowed as an expression'
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12:50 jonrafkind: ^('_')^
12:56 shofetim: I heard that someone at PLT might be helping Mozilla ad modules to their JS implementation.... anyone have more info on this? I would LOVE provide/require and safe namespaces in JS
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12:59 racket: [racket/master] fix ASL `(begin0)' error message - Matthew Flatt
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13:29 stamourv: Daemmerung: Oh, I thought it meant sticking the letter `J' in front of everything.
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13:33 Daemmerung: stamourv: "Beans," ugh
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14:25 samth: shofetim: yes, me
14:26 samth: and see: the section on javascript here: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/samth/
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14:28 racket: [racket/master] Have DrDr keep ignoring the random seeds. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
14:28 racket: [racket/master] Add types for `check-in-{port,bytes,bytes-lines}'. - Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
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14:35 shofetim: samth: Looking it over now... when might we see it? at least in Firefox?
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14:41 samth: shofetim: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568953
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14:41 samth: and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585210 (for prototyping)
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15:05 shofetim: samth: thanks!
15:05 samth: shofetim: and obviously, comments on the design are always welcome -- it's not set in stone, and we love feedback
15:05 shofetim: is walesong https://github.com/dyoo/whalesong the 'official' / best way go from racket -> js ?
15:10 samth: shofetim: you'd have to ask dyoo about that, but i think it's still very much in progress
15:10 samth: and it doesn't handle things like io or guis
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15:25 racket: [racket/master] Add assertions to place-channel tests - Kevin Tew
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15:53 jonrafkind: tonyg, whats your email?
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16:04 racket: [racket/master] rackunit: fix require/expose to work on variable-like macros - Ryan Culpepper
16:04 racket: [racket/master] moved typed racket docs up within section - Ryan Culpepper
16:04 racket: [racket/master] restored Getting Started link - Ryan Culpepper
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17:01 tonyg: jonrafkind: tonyg@ccs.neu.edu
17:02 jonrafkind: ok. how is your mips port going? i see someone already started an arm port of lightning https://github.com/pcpa/lightning
17:02 tonyg: nifty! still haven't looked at jitting
17:02 jonrafkind: oh you are just getting it to compile?
17:02 tonyg: i have basic interpretation running on the machine
17:03 jonrafkind: what obstacles do you tend to face?
17:03 tonyg: yeah: see http://github.com/tonyg/racket-openwrt for the openwrt recipe
17:03 tonyg: the main problems are disk space and RAM
17:03 tonyg: disk space for the collects
17:03 jonrafkind: you are building on the wrt itself?
17:03 tonyg: and RAM in that racket consumes a heck of a lot of it
17:03 tonyg: no, cross-building
17:03 jonrafkind: so.. your build machine is somewhat weak?
17:04 tonyg: ?
17:04 jonrafkind: in what way are disk and RAM a problem?
17:04 tonyg: my build machine is a regular linux box
17:04 tonyg: oh
17:04 tonyg: disk: the router has 16MB flash to hold a compressed FS
17:04 tonyg: the collects are huge and don't fit
17:04 jonrafkind: right
17:05 tonyg: ram: the router has 64MB and racket likes to eat as much as it can get
17:05 tonyg: on a desktop box it stops when it's full
17:05 tonyg: but on the router it suffers OOM conditions fairly frequently
17:05 tonyg: it's tough to get anything interesting done
17:05 jonrafkind: that is an interesting problem..
17:05 tonyg: yes indeed :)
17:05 tonyg: but currently out of scope
17:06 tonyg: because i have a 16GB USB stick ;)
17:06 tonyg: which I stuck a swap file on
17:06 jonrafkind: ah nice
17:06 tonyg: and hold the collects there too
17:06 tonyg: well, not *nice* so much, but certainly makes things go :)
17:06 jonrafkind: i just got an arm machine working in qemu, i was going to test out lightning a bit
17:07 tonyg: nifty
17:07 tonyg: lightning is a fairly straightforward beast iirc
17:07 jonrafkind: yea looks like it
17:07 tonyg: how far is racket's copy from the upstream?
17:08 jonrafkind: im not sure exactly.. i would guess they differ by no more than 10%
17:08 jonrafkind: theres like 10 commits to the racket/lightening directory
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18:14 racket: [racket/master] Abstract out magic numbers in the JIT. - Vincent St-Amour
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18:20 tzhuang: hey, where can i find the teachpack.ss in ubuntu
18:21 stamourv: Which teachpack, there's quite a few.
18:25 tzhuang: errr the one that has the (posn stuff)
18:26 stamourv: AFAIK, you don't need teachpacks to use posns, they should be included in the teaching languages.
18:27 tzhuang: im using racket from the terminal
18:27 stamourv: Then (require lang/posn).
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18:27 stamourv: Searching the docs (docs.racket-lang.org) will tell you which modules provide what.
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18:38 tzhuang: how do i know to use lang/posn
18:38 tzhuang: in not sure which doc exactly to look through
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18:43 stamourv: If you search for `posn', you will get several results, most of which come from the teaching languages, another comes from `lang/posn'.
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18:50 tzhuang: stamourv: ah got it. i think my internet died that last time i queried a search i was a bit confused
18:50 tzhuang: stamourv: thanks for the help
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19:22 racket: [racket/master] Add identifier? check to place macro - Kevin Tew
19:22 racket: [racket/master] Fix place-channel place-object race condition - Kevin Tew
19:22 racket: [racket/master] Fix non-places build - Kevin Tew
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