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04:36 dsp_: hi folks
04:37 dsp_: is there a way to convert strings to bytes?
04:37 dsp_: it may not really be what i want, but i'm using racket's continue framework and want to use it to output text/plain over http when I get a certain post request
04:38 dsp_: (i'm relatively new to this)
04:39 ohwow: dsp_: http://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/bytestrings.html?q=-%3Ebytes#%28def._%28%28quote._~23~25kernel%29._string-~3ebytes/utf-8%29%29
04:39 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/3fnndrp
04:39 ohwow: rudybot: eval (string->bytes/utf-8 "test")
04:39 rudybot: ohwow: your sandbox is ready
04:39 rudybot: ohwow: ; Value: #"test"
04:39 ohwow: hm
04:45 dsp_: thanks, works :)
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12:53 racket: [racket/master] make sure only one place initializes SSL - Matthew Flatt
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14:18 racket: [racket/master] Changed order of imports in require/typed to order written. - Eric Dobson
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16:05 jonrafkind: tonyg, ping
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16:21 mithos28: samth or stamourv: what does the alternate field of a typed-renaming do?
16:24 stamourv: Off the top of my head, I don't know.
16:24 stamourv: Do you have a pointer?
16:24 mithos28: typed-scheme/private/typed-renaming.rkt
16:24 mithos28: and uses in utils/require-contract.rkt
16:25 mithos28: I'm trying to understand if it is the solution to my problem
16:27 stamourv: I would assume that it's what you would rename `target' to.
16:27 stamourv: But I haven't looked at that code before, so I don't know.
16:29 tonyg: jonrafkind: hi
16:29 jonrafkind: are you working on the arm port of racket?
16:29 tonyg: not right now; i have a MIPS box I'm running racket on though
16:29 tonyg: without JIT yet
16:29 jonrafkind: so first you're going to port to a MIPS machine?
16:33 jonrafkind: :p
16:34 mithos28: stamourv: ok, I think it has something to do with typed vs untyped exports so it is not what I want
16:34 stamourv: mithos28: That could be.
16:35 jonrafkind: tonyg, ?
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16:36 stamourv: tonyg: That reminds me, the Lemote Yeelong (Stallman's all-free laptop) runs MIPS.
16:36 stamourv: I've been thinking about getting one, and now it would even run Racket!
16:37 tonyg: sorry was afk
16:37 tonyg: i don't know the plan for porting racket to arm
16:37 jonrafkind: im interested in helping out, assuming im not the only one
16:37 jonrafkind: years ago i tried to compile racket for arm and it failed for whatever reason but the main issue is getting actual hardware
16:37 jonrafkind: running an emulator (like qemu) is painfully slow
16:37 tonyg: cool! well, so far i have build scripts for openembedded racket
16:37 lucian_: i have an Efika MX Smartbook, it's rather nice
16:38 jonrafkind: im not sure what an appropriate arm box consists of
16:38 jonrafkind: maybe it works the same way as x86 land where you just get a motherboard, shove in an arm cpu, add some ram and away you go?
16:38 lucian_: jonrafkind: not really, you'll need to get a SoC
16:38 lucian_: beagle/pandaboard
16:39 jonrafkind: do you have experience with such stuff? can you make specific recommendations?
16:39 lucian_: or a nettop/netbook like www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook
16:39 lucian_: the nettop is cheaper https://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika
16:40 (part) snorble
16:40 lucian_: but of course the netbook is ... a netbook
16:40 jonrafkind: beagle is only $150
16:40 tonyg: go for a beagleboard is what I'd do http://beagleboard.org/
16:40 lucian_: depends how powerful you want it to be. the genesi smarttop is $129
16:41 (nick) lucian_ -> lucian
16:41 jonrafkind: since its for development, as powerful as can be
16:41 lucian: well then, maybe a pandaboard
16:41 lucian: or wait for the im53 genesi nettops
16:41 lucian: those'll be dual-core and really fast
16:42 lucian: the im51 nettop is equivalent to a beagleboard, mostly
16:45 jonrafkind: tonyg, so im wondering why you are porting to MIPS? any specific reason?
16:47 tonyg: jonrafkind: because the little router I'm experimenting with is a MIPS
16:47 tonyg: it's a WNDR3700v2
16:47 jonrafkind: oh ok
16:47 jonrafkind: i suppose its nice for that project but probably arm would have a wider use case (iphone/etc)
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16:48 tonyg: agreed
16:48 tonyg: the ISAs are quite similar actually
16:48 jonrafkind: right
16:48 jonrafkind: mips is similar to powerpc as well
16:48 jonrafkind: so racket could run on the ps3 :)
16:48 askhader: I'd play that game.
16:49 jonrafkind: catch the parenthesis!
16:49 askhader: haha
16:49 lucian: no JIT on PS3
16:49 jonrafkind: ps3 has no-exec?
16:50 lucian: yeah
16:50 jonrafkind: since our JIT isn't tracing I guess some code could be compiled up front to native
16:51 jonrafkind: though speaking of it, we should really have a tracing jit probabky
16:51 lucian: are there lots of hot loops in scheme code?
16:52 jonrafkind: well I guess the reigning theory is there are hot loops in every turing complete language
16:52 lucian: sure, but if you're already optimising hot functions, you shouldn't need tracing
16:53 jonrafkind: maybe you're right, i dont know all the details
16:54 lucian: me neither
16:54 jonrafkind: all the cool javascript engines are doing tracing
16:55 lucian: feel free to ask folks in #pypy
17:00 yoklov1: jesus christ, every time i think i'm starting to get the hang of macros, i find out that they are for more complicated than i had initially suspected.
17:01 jonrafkind: welcome to my life
17:01 yoklov1: theres just
17:01 yoklov1: always more
17:02 lucian: it's a complex problem
17:02 jonrafkind: and now theres even more with syntax taints that I dont understand at all
17:02 yoklov1: syntax taints
17:02 jonrafkind: a wonderful name as well
17:02 yoklov1: lol
17:03 yoklov1: i mean, i can vaguely imagine what that might mean
17:03 yoklov1: almost.
17:03 lucian: i found this article interesting http://www.erights.org/data/irrelevance.html
17:04 lucian: the less insane you want your macros to be, the more complex they have to be
17:04 lucian: from a language design perspective
17:04 yoklov1: pretty much
17:05 yoklov1: thats what it looks like, at least
17:05 lucian: scheme's aren't even as unsurprising as they could be
17:05 lucian: they're still much, much better than anything else
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17:06 yoklov1: I've never actually seen any other languages really with hygenic macros that looked reasonable
17:07 jonrafkind: yes, parsing is a hard problem
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20:22 samth: jonrafkind: fortunately, you have the inventors down the hall
20:24 jonrafkind: i know, you've told me that like a dozen times
20:24 jonrafkind: but i've never had to deal with certificates in the past and i probably won't learn anything about them (now taints) until i need to
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20:50 samth: they're a lot simpler than certificates
20:50 samth: also, aren't you implementing a macro system?
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