05:25 (topic) -: Racket -- http://racket-lang.org/ (logs at http://racket-lang.org/irc-logs/ )
05:25 (names) -: gabot eli ukl RaceCondition mceier friscosam martinhex qha DT`` zugthor evhan em rien mario-goulart bremner_ _p4bl0 askhader stamourv cpach tewk zakwilson petey-away shachaf mattmight offby1 rudybot cow-orker abbe lisppaste clklein jeapostrophe cky danking hyko jackhill_ fmu @ChanServ samth
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06:36 bremner_: ukl: most of the work is actually done in the install step, so that part is not unexpected.  I seem to recall there is some way to build without the docs, that might help. Unfortunately I don't remember the specifics
06:37 ukl: bremner_: well, actually, {,g,dr}racket all work, I'm just a little concerned knowing I didn't build everything correctly.
06:38 ukl: I'll probably just run 'make install' again when I have lots of time...
06:39 bremner_: ukl: most of the libraries are in collects, and they can be extremely slow if not compiled
06:39 bremner_: which happens in the install step
06:39 ukl: bremner_: oh, ok. so I'm probably missing some things
06:40 bremner_: well, hard to say, but yeah, I guess it depends how the install was interrupted
06:40 ukl: (well, not missing, but it'd be better compiled.)
06:41 ukl: ok, thanks.
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10:36 samth: bremner_, to build without docs: make plain-install && raco setup -D
10:37 samth: RaceCondition, yes, the difference between mcons and cons is deliberate
10:38 RaceCondition: samth: yes, I know that, but mcons is an identical structure from the point of view of accessing it — why make it not accessible using car and cdr?
10:38 RaceCondition: to avoid exposing it to parts of the program that expect immutable data structures?
10:38 samth: RaceCondition, there's a long discussion of this here: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2007/11/getting-rid-of-set-car-and-set-cdr.html
10:38 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/2bws4fr
10:38 RaceCondition: I have read it
10:39 samth: so, that's why not
10:39 RaceCondition: okay, well, no probs.. I just use unsafe-set-mcar! and unsafe-set-mcdr! now
10:39 samth: you really shouldn't do that
10:40 samth: it will produce the segfaults that blog post describes
10:40 RaceCondition: what am I supposed to do if I have a bunch of functions that I need to work on both conses and mconses?
10:40 RaceCondition: segfaults are produced only if I do things that the blog post talks about
10:40 RaceCondition: i.e. modifying a list while iterating over it at the same time
10:40 RaceCondition: and accidentally modifying a shared data structure
10:41 samth: why do you need to work w/ both conses and mconses?
10:41 RaceCondition: because I normally use conses as much as possible, but I'm playing with the examples in SICP and need to define stuff like mutable deques etc
10:42 RaceCondition: and in general, it annoys me that I have a perfectly valid cons structure, and I can use my existing cycle detector on it
10:42 samth: if you're writing a mutable dequeue, then you should have only mconses
10:44 RaceCondition: nah, that'll screw up the way the data structure is printed, in addition to forcing me think whether I have to use mcar or car
10:45 samth: "forcing me think whether I have to use mcar or car" -- that is the whole point
10:45 samth: using a mutable data structure is something you should think about
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10:52 RaceCondition: samth: not when doing SICP examples
10:53 RaceCondition: otherwise, agreed
10:53 samth: if SICP encourages you to think of all pairs as mutable, then use mcons everywhere
10:55 RaceCondition: SICP actually teaches using Scheme not Racket, so it's a bit irrelevant anyway
10:55 RaceCondition: I know that the principles are universal, but still
10:55 DT``: SICP actually is not about Scheme.
10:55 RaceCondition: of course it's not, but it's not about Racket either
10:56 RaceCondition: I said "using Scheme" btw
10:56 RaceCondition: i.e. "teaches what it teaches with the help of Scheme"
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12:12 PLT_Notify: racket: master Vincent St-Amour * 0641d7b (1 files in 1 dirs): Handle more accented characters in Scribble. - http://bit.ly/g8218w
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12:46 tauntaun: Any heavy users of rackunit here?
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14:16 samth: tauntaun, yes
14:18 tauntaun: samth: Is there a way to make an entire test-case evaluate to something, and then pass that value to a subsequent test-case or test-suite?
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14:18 samth: wrap it in `test-suite'
14:18 samth: i think
14:18 tauntaun: I did that, but no luck.
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14:18 tauntaun: Do you see why it would be a nice feature?
14:18 samth: yes
14:19 tauntaun: (I'm having to do a lot of redefinition of test objects, just to take the tests to the next level.)
14:19 samth: tauntaun, take a look at : https://github.com/plt/racket/blob/master/collects/tests/typed-scheme/main.rkt
14:19 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/4mekv5c
14:21 samth: that encapsulates most of what i know about schemeunit
14:22 tauntaun: thanks
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16:07 PLT_Notify: racket: master Vincent St-Amour * 60cc8c4 (1 files in 1 dirs): Fix type of sqr. - http://bit.ly/hwiK0u
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16:34 jonrafkind: would anyone refuse to use scheme/racket if it did not enforce tail call elimination?
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16:51 DT``: jonrafkind, I would.
16:51 jonrafkind: can you explain why you need it?
16:53 DT``: mutual tail recursion is handy when defining finite state machines, it's fundamental when writing code in functional style, and imho writing loops via TR is cleaner than writing the usual for/while loop.
16:54 DT``: in a language that claims to encourage a functional style, it's a must.
16:55 jonrafkind: but that assumes you would run out of stack space without it
16:55 jonrafkind: which I'm wondering how true that is for most programs
16:56 jonrafkind: whats the loop in TR? (let loop ...) ?
16:56 DT``: yeah.
16:56 jonrafkind: oh you like that style? I sort of hate it..
16:57 DT``: for short loops/looping for side effects I use do, though.
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22:30 isak_: hey, anyone know how to access html attributes of an html-element (using the html library)?
22:45 offby1: I assume html-element-attributes
22:46 offby1: the procedure for accessing struct elements have predictable names
22:48 isak_: ah, you're right, thanks
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23:29 rrenaud: i am trying to go through the quick intro to racket, i built it from source, but it doesn't seem to want to find the slideshow package
23:29 rrenaud: #lang slideshow
23:29 rrenaud: click run
23:29 rrenaud: module: name is not defined, not a parameter, and not a primitive name
23:30 jonrafkind: what language setting is it on?
23:30 jonrafkind: "use module declared in source" ?
23:30 rrenaud: thanks, that fixed it ;)
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