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04:45 cpach: http://blog.racket-lang.org/2011/02/racket-v51.html yay!
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05:33 SinDoc: Is there a way to access the matched syntax object in syntax-case via a direct reference?
06:06 eli: SinDoc: If you start with "(syntax-case stx", then just use "stx"...
06:07 SinDoc: eli: the goal is to match a sub-form of stx
06:08 eli: Example?
06:09 SinDoc: eli: coming up...
06:13 SinDoc: eli: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/28911
06:14 eli: SinDoc: That's not enough...
06:14 eli: Which syntax do you want to access?
06:15 SinDoc: In the first definition, I try to match: ((public static var-name var-value))
06:15 SinDoc: Then I'd like to store that very same syntax object in a dictionary
06:16 eli: You mean just keep the stuff that is inside the first pair of double parens?
06:16 SinDoc: Yes
06:17 SinDoc: I can construct a new object by gluing the deconstructed sub-forms
06:17 eli: You can use #'(public static var-name var-value)
06:17 SinDoc: but that won't be the same syntax object
06:17 eli: "For all you should care about", it's the same object.
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06:18 eli: Put differently -- what do you think the difference will be?
06:19 SinDoc: I thought I might gain some context preservation while expansion
06:19 SinDoc: Does it really matter at all?
06:19 eli: That's the whole point -- it doesn't.
06:20 SinDoc: What a relief
06:21 SinDoc: A more general question: what exactly is the advantage of using hygienic macros?
06:24 eli: Here's an example: http://tmp.barzilay.org/x
06:24 eli: Note that the first is doing what you thought you wanted -- deconstruct the first layer, then the second.
06:24 eli: Both have the same source location for the `x' in the input.
06:25 eli: As for your hygiene question -- do you not know the usual spiel?
06:27 SinDoc: eli: Thanks for the example;
06:28 SinDoc: So, it says their on the same line
06:28 SinDoc: i.e. position
06:28 eli: `source-position' is the character number -- they're in exactly the same place (not just the line).
06:29 eli: Note BTW that if you'd print the source location of #'stuff and #'(x y) you'd get a different position -- but my guess is that you'd never need that.  (And there's a simple solution if you do.)
06:34 SinDoc: The bottom line is: I shouldn't care for keeping track of syntax objects
06:34 eli: Are you talking about hygiene?
06:35 SinDoc: Yes, that's what I'm using
06:36 eli: Then the bottom line is a little different: you shouldn't care about keeping track of names.
06:36 eli: No gensyms, etc.
06:36 eli: (at least that's the easy side.)
06:37 SinDoc: I don't think I'll be needing gensym
06:37 eli: Your example does need it.
06:37 eli: (Had you been using `defmacro'.)
06:38 eli: You have (define meta '()) in your resulting pattern, if it wasn't hygienic, you'd need to gensym it.
06:40 SinDoc: I read that introducing arbitrary bindings prevents a macro from being hygienic
06:40 Lajla: SinDoc, hygiene basically ensures that whatever identifiers you use in your macros refer to what they refererred to in the environment you defined the macro in, not the environment the expansion takes place in. Like say you write cond as a macro and you use if in its implementation, without hygiene, then (let ((if +)) (cond ...)) would break your code.
06:41 SinDoc: Because of lexical-scope
06:41 Lajla: Yah
06:41 eli: SinDoc: If you want to introduce an arbitrary binding that is visible to the user, you can do so.
06:41 Lajla: Scheme's scoping model allows a computer to establish this.
06:42 Lajla: SinDoc, yeah, you can break hygiene artificially via a process that is ridiculously convoluted but it wors and is quite elegant.
06:42 eli: In your case, say that you'd want `meta' to be a name that users can use --
06:42 Lajla: You can also easily define defmacro in syntax-case
06:42 eli: You'd write (unsyntax (datum->syntax stx 'meta)) instead of just `meta'.
06:43 SinDoc: Yes, I've already learned that technique from the Advanced Macrology paper
06:43 eli: BTW, instead of (quasisyntax (X (unsyntax Y) Z)) you can write #`(X #,Y Z).
06:43 Lajla: macrology, funny name.
06:44 SinDoc: Lajla: Yeah, right (?)
06:44 Lajla: Sounds like microbiology.
06:44 eli: And it's sometimes more convenient to use `with-syntax', as in: (with -syntax ([Y1 Y]) #'(X Y1 Z))
06:44 SinDoc: eli: Thanks, I use those sugars too
06:45 eli: (In fact, `quasisyntax' and `unsyntax' are translated to these things.)
06:45 eli: BTW, "macrology" has become a pretty common term.
06:45 SinDoc: eli: with-syntax is basically 'let' for syntax patterns
06:45 Lajla: First ime I saw it.
06:46 eli: SinDoc: Yes, kind of.
06:46 SinDoc: Lajla: www.ccs.neu.edu/racket/pubs/scheme2007-ctf.pdf
06:47 eli: It's a little tricky though, since it evaluates its expressions at syntax time, and bind them to pattern variables.
06:48 SinDoc: eli: tell me about it; I'm new to the whole compile-time/runtime duality
06:48 SinDoc: eli: and i've had my moments of frustration
06:48 SinDoc: but it's very much worth it
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06:55 eli: SinDoc: Does your `process-members' keep information somewhere?
06:55 eli: (ie, that `members-map-add+' thing?)
06:56 SinDoc: Yes
06:56 SinDoc: That's basically a hashtable
06:56 SinDoc: In one pass, I classify all of my fields
06:57 SinDoc: This is, BTW, an object system, I'm trying to write
06:59 SinDoc: I put all the fields in a hashtable so that I can generate the code representing classes and objects in a specific order
07:01 SinDoc: My plan is to use the lexical environment that comes with closures to bind class variables as well as instance variables
07:01 SinDoc: basically, playing with scoping rules to get expressions evaluated in the right environment
07:03 SinDoc: Since I've chosen that the class fields and methods can be defined in any order, I must create an ordering at some point
07:03 eli: SinDoc: So a good summary of this is that racket's phase separation means that your hash table can have only syntactic information -- it can keep the forms that the user wrote, but not the values.
07:06 SinDoc: eli: By values,  do you mean, expression I get after evaluation?
07:09 eli: SinDoc: Yes.  Your macros are basically confined to the syntax world, they're completely gone at runtime.  (Only the code that they produce is left, of course.\)
07:09 eli has to go now
07:10 tauntaun: SinDoc: I joined just a few minutes ago.  Are you implementing an object-oriented extension to Racket?
07:10 SinDoc: eli: I won't depend on any compile-time state
07:13 SinDoc: tauntaun: Racket already has an object system, but sure; mine will be Free Software anyway
07:14 SinDoc: eli: Thank you very much for your help; you're a grace ;)
07:16 tauntaun: SinDoc: yes I'm well aware of Racket's object system...just wanted to know what you're up to. :)  I'm curious: are you modelling your object system on that of any particular language?
07:19 SinDoc: tauntaun: It's very soon to say, really. Things I need for the moment are reflection and polymorphic inheritance
07:23 SinDoc: Is there any interest for an alternative object system in Racket?
07:32 tauntaun: SinDoc: Racket's object system is sophisticated---too sophisticated for some of my "customers."  Hence my question to you.
07:32 tauntaun: Racket also has an older system (part of mzlib now, I think) which may have been simpler.
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07:34 Dranik: does racket have a compiler?
07:37 SinDoc: tauntaun: I'm designing mine as part of a bigger project for school. Should you find it useful once it will have been published, feel free to use it.
07:37 tauntaun: Dranik: you might find answers at http://docs.racket-lang.org/guide/compile.html?q=compilation
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07:38 Dranik: thanks
07:38 tauntaun: SinDoc: when and how I use it all depends on your timing; but please do announce the result when it's ready.
07:39 Dranik: tauntaun, is it possible to make a standalone executable somehow? Even using bytecode?
07:40 tauntaun: Dranik: the last time I compiled was a long time ago, so I am far from being an expert on the topic.  But I suspect you'll find many answers in the doc page I pointed you to.
07:40 Dranik: ok, thanks then
07:41 SinDoc: tauntaun: I'll be sure to do so
07:41 tauntaun: cheers.
07:43 Dranik: does anyone use racket on production?
07:49 tauntaun: Dranik: the pros who hang out here should be able to answer that; they're probably still asleep...
07:49 Dranik: :-)
07:50 Dranik: ok, I just wanna no yes/no
07:50 Dranik: *know
07:50 tauntaun: I'm sorry but I myself don't know.
07:54 Dranik: ok, thanks
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08:11 Dranik: how is it going with Gtk3 and racket gui?
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09:51 mye: rudybot: (print 'a 'b 'c)
09:52 rudybot: mye: your sandbox is ready
09:52 rudybot: mye: error: print: expects type <output-port> as 2nd argument, given: b; other arguments were: a c
09:52 mye: is there a vararg print?
09:54 rapacity: printf ?
09:54 rapacity: (printf "~a~a~a" 'a 'b 'c)
09:54 rapacity: rudybot: (printf "~a~a~a" 'a 'b 'c)
09:54 rudybot: rapacity: your sandbox is ready
09:54 rudybot: rapacity: ; stdout: "abc"
09:55 mye: rapacity: hm, yeah I wanted something not coupled to a format string
09:55 mye: but if it doesn't exist, I'll just use format
09:57 mye: I'm writing a macro and want the matched arguments printed, so a variable argument print would come in handy.
09:58 rapacity: well you can just do
09:59 rapacity: rudybot: (define (printv . args) (for-each print args))
09:59 rudybot: rapacity: Done.
09:59 rapacity: rudybot: (printv 'a 'b 'c)
09:59 rudybot: rapacity: ; stdout: "abc"
09:59 rapacity: won't that work ?
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10:02 firas: hi
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10:02 rapacity: ello
10:02 firas: i need help pleas
10:02 rapacity: I don't know if I can help you d:
10:03 rapacity: perhaps start by describing what it is you need help with
10:03 rapacity: if someone can help you, they'll probably reply
10:03 firas: i need to know how can i do this grammar
10:04 firas: Using Scheme, build a parser for the following Grammar:
10:04 firas: expression -> number expression_tail
10:04 firas: expression_tail -> + expression expression_tail
10:05 firas: expression_tail -> Ø
10:06 rapacity: are you using the builtin parser-tools module?
10:06 firas: any body please can help me
10:08 firas: i just need how can i translate this grammar into Scheme
10:08 mye: rapacity: thanks I added a " " to separate the args, now it looks like this is what I wanted.
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10:17 firas: hello
10:17 firas: please  can any body help me??
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10:28 sadeen: hi
10:28 sadeen: any body here
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11:06 firas: hi
11:06 firas: any bodt there
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11:08 firas: hi, please i need help
11:08 firas: can any body help me?/
11:10 cpach: firas: take it easy. it appears to be no-one who is able or willing to answer.
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11:36 cpach: firas: maybe try posting your question on http://stackoverflow.com/ ?
11:37 cpach: firas: or maybe the racket mailing list if the question really is related to racket.
11:38 cpach: firas: is this a homework question, by the way?
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11:42 shofetim: Hey anyone know what to patch in DrRacket 5.1 to keep yesterday's heart shaped icon?
11:45 eli: shofetim: That's easy!  You'll need to patch collects/framework/private/bday.rkt
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11:45 shofetim: : ) Thanks!
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11:50 jonrafkind: is there a way to convert a regexp to a string? like I want the ascii representation of the regexp
11:50 jonrafkind: rudybot: (format "~a" (regexp "foobar"))
11:50 rudybot: jonrafkind: error: with-limit: out of time
11:50 jonrafkind: anyway it would produce this
11:51 jonrafkind: -> (format "~a" (regexp "foobar"))
11:51 jonrafkind: "#rx\"foobar\""
11:51 jonrafkind: but splicing off the #rx seems like a hack
11:55 (nick) samth_away -> samth
11:55 carleastlund: rudybot: (object-name #rx"regexp?")
11:55 samth: Dranik, people certainly use racket in production
11:56 rudybot: carleastlund: error: with-limit: out of time
11:56 carleastlund: Okay, weird.
11:56 carleastlund: Anyway, object-name should do it, jonrafkind.
11:56 Dranik: samth, do you have any examples? I just wanna have a look
11:56 samth: Dranik, also, work to port to Gtk3 has not yet begun
11:56 jonrafkind: ok
11:56 samth: examples of what?
11:56 jonrafkind: whats wrong with rudybot.
11:56 jonrafkind: oh offby1 isnt here
11:56 Dranik: samth, of production-ready apps on racket
11:57 carleastlund: rudybot: 1
11:57 samth: do you want the source, or the url, or what?
11:57 rudybot: carleastlund: error: with-limit: out of time
11:57 jonrafkind: rofl
11:57 carleastlund: Yeah, that's a problem.
11:57 Dranik: samth, anything what I can look at
11:57 samth: Dranik, here's an example: ll4.csail.mit.edu/slides/telescope.pdf
11:58 Dranik: thanks!
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11:58 samth: Dranik, this app is written in Racket: http://www.getkahu.com/index_b.php
11:59 Dranik: samth, and how about web apps? are there any?
11:59 samth: Dranik, Kahu is a web app
11:59 Dranik: ah, I see
11:59 Dranik: thanks! that was helpful!
11:59 samth: hacker news runs on an old version of Racket
12:02 samth: here's another paper about it: untyped.com/files/icfp068-welsh.pdf
12:02 Dranik: thanks
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13:53 joe_shmo: hey guys
13:54 joe_shmo: does anyone know about this error in C?
13:54 joe_shmo: "Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)"
13:55 (topic) -: Racket -- http://racket-lang.org/ (logs at http://racket-lang.org/irc-logs/ )
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14:03 jonrafkind: joe_shmo, int x; is uninitialized
14:03 jonrafkind: int x = 2; is initialized
14:03 jonrafkind: if x is used when its uninitialized then you get that warning
14:18 jonrafkind: bremner_, is there a good reason to use libpango1.0-dev over libpango1.0-0 ?
14:20 bremner_: jonrafkind: the former has the include files, and pulls in the latter automatically
14:20 jonrafkind: right, but so what
14:20 jonrafkind: racket doesnt need the include files
14:22 bremner_: jonrafkind: it doesn't need them to compile?
14:22 jonrafkind: well im testing it right now, but im pretty sure all it needs is the .so file
14:23 jonrafkind: because it uses the ffi to load it
14:23 jonrafkind: there is no c++ code that depends on pango
14:23 bremner_: oh. well. welcome to bizzaro-world ;)
14:23 jonrafkind: im making a 5.1 package now
14:23 jonrafkind: for the ppa
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14:32 Lajla: jonrafkind,
14:32 Lajla: how do you explain this:'(a b c e)
14:32 Lajla: A list of symols eh?
14:32 Lajla: Admit it, the argument is undeniable.
14:32 Lajla: I win, you lose.
14:33 jonrafkind: yea yea, and now you want '('a 'b 'c 'e)
14:33 Lajla: Yea
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14:33 Lajla: Admit it.
14:33 Lajla: You lost.
14:33 Lajla: Your futile attempts to sustain that 'x is a symbol have been thwarted by my higher logic.
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14:58 bremner_: )
14:58 samth: thanks, bremner_
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15:13 firas: hello every body
15:13 firas: Using Scheme, build a parser for the following Grammar:
15:14 firas: expression -> number expression_tail
15:14 firas: expression_tail -> Ø
15:14 firas: expression_tail -> + expression expression_tail
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15:15 bremner_: umm. But we have our own homework to do.
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16:17 Lajla: jonrafkind,
16:18 Lajla: a real man does not walk away from defeat
16:18 Lajla: He admits it honourably.
16:18 Lajla: Say it.
16:18 jonrafkind: pancakes
16:18 Lajla: jonrafkind, admit it, you lost.
16:18 jonrafkind: lost what
16:18 Lajla: I'm not sure anymore.
16:19 jonrafkind: well then i won!
16:19 Lajla: Anyway, I believe I have demonstrated just how silly it is to say that 'x is a symbol rather then a list.
16:19 clklein: Are you on that again?
16:19 Lajla: Hey, that's an argument from ignorance and a false dilemma fallacy at one.
16:19 Lajla: clklein, mais naturellement
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16:19 jonrafkind: (quote x) is an s-expression but evaluating it is a symbol
16:20 Lajla: Thank you.
16:20 Lajla: I won.
16:20 Lajla: Muahahah.
16:20 jonrafkind: the customer is always right
16:20 carleastlund: 'x is so a symbol.  You write it (quote |'x|).
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16:22 samth: carleastlund wins the internet
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16:32 Lajla: carleastlund, why not ((quote quote) (quote x))
16:34 carleastlund: Sorry, I meant |'x|.  You construct it at runtime with what I wrote.
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16:35 jonrafkind deducts half the internet worth of points from carleastlund
16:36 Lajla: Not fair
16:36 Lajla: I want some too.
16:36 carleastlund: Given the state of the internet and what is found on most of it, I think I'm better off without any of those points...
16:37 Lajla: Then give them to me.
16:37 carleastlund: That would require touching them.
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17:37 jonrafkind: bremner_, ping
17:38 tauntaun: I am tauntaun.  Hear me roar.
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17:48 bremner: jonrafkind: what's up?
17:49 jonrafkind: -Xdoc/release-notes doesn't seem to be working
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17:49 jonrafkind: both packages (racket-common and racket-doc) contain those files
17:49 jonrafkind: DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS_racket-doc := -Xdoc/release-notes
17:49 jonrafkind: i checked dh_install and it says its supposde to honor -X
17:50 Lajla: jonrafkind, ever since you have admitted your wrongness
17:50 Lajla: I can't point it out any more
17:50 Lajla: it feels empty
17:50 Lajla: a hollow victory
17:50 bremner: jonrafkind: give 15 minutes, I'll check what happens here.
17:50 bremner: Lajla: hush now, the grownups are talking
17:50 jonrafkind: im rerunning the build but it takes *forever*
17:51 Lajla: bremner, I'm already 17 I will have you know.
17:51 Lajla: Like, in one year, I can legally cause a car crash.
17:54 bremner: jonrafkind: what is in racket-doc.install and racket-common.install?
17:54 jonrafkind: racket-doc.install has "usr/share/racket/doc"
17:54 jonrafkind: $ cat racket-common.install
17:55 jonrafkind: usr/include
17:55 jonrafkind: usr/share/racket/collects
17:55 jonrafkind: usr/share/man
17:55 jonrafkind: usr/share/racket/doc/release-notes
17:55 bremner: huh, same as here. But I think I would have noticed the file duplication
17:56 jonrafkind: i wonder if for now i can just get rid of usr/share/racket/doc/release-notes for racket-common
17:57 bremner: that seems like it should work, in a sortof hacky-itsonly-a-ppa way ;)
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17:59 jonrafkind: looks like -X jsut becomes an argument to find.. ! \( blah \)
18:00 bremner: in dh_install?
18:00 jonrafkind: yea
18:01 bremner: what version of debhelper do you have installed (or in the chroot?)
18:01 jonrafkind: wow this is the most amazing error message ive ever seen
18:01 jonrafkind: $ find . -name -o ! \( -name 'doc/release-notes' \)
18:01 jonrafkind: find: warning: Unix filenames usually don't contain slashes (though pathnames do).  That means that '-name `doc/release-notes'' will probably evaluate to false all the time on this system.  You might find the '-wholename' test more useful, or perhaps '-samefile'.  Alternatively, if you are using GNU grep, you could use 'find ... -print0 | grep -FzZ `doc/release-notes''.
18:01 jonrafkind: what package is dh from
18:02 jonrafkind: debhelper
18:02 jonrafkind: Version: 7.4.15ubuntu1
18:03 bremner: hrm. I've got 8.0.0 here. I wouldn't think that would matter, but I don't know for sure.
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18:16 bremner: jonrafkind: ok, rebuild and confirmed that release-notes only went into racket-common
18:16 jonrafkind: so its just my old dh thats causing it I guess
18:16 jonrafkind: are you on 10.10?
18:16 bremner: I'm in debian squeeze
18:16 jonrafkind: my build machine is 10.04
18:16 jonrafkind: oh ok
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18:18 lnostdal: hey guys, just a quick question; is it possible to find the references to some object using racket? ..    i mean something similar to what visualvm does for java or jvm base languages (some)?
18:19 lnostdal: i guess this is known as memory profiling (e.g. i have a weak hash-table, and i want to know why the objects in the hash table aren't GCed)
18:21 jonrafkind: i dont think there is a good way
18:58 carleastlund: lnostdal, for most purposes the eq-hash-code of a value may serve your purpose if you want to track unique identities.
18:59 carleastlund: If you generate more than 2^MAXHASHCODE separate values, you may run into trouble.
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19:00 lnostdal: hm, that's not what i mean, carleastlund ..    but jonrafkind answered i guess
19:01 carleastlund: Oh, yes, I did not read carefully enough.  Sorry.  I agree with that answer -- I don't know of a way.
19:02 carleastlund: What kinds of values are not being GC'd?
19:02 lnostdal: well, i'm coming from SBCL (Common Lisp) and just checking what other languages/implementations/run-times can do etc.
19:03 lnostdal: but in this particular case, unrelated to racket , it's just instances of a class stored in a weak hash table
19:07 jonrafkind: i need to match a value with a specific symbol created with gensym, whats the easiest way? (match x [(? (lambda (z) (eq? z my-symbol))) ...]) is sort of painful
19:08 carleastlund: (require unstable/match) (match x [(== my-symbol) ...])
19:08 carleastlund: Alternately, (define (unique? x) (eq? x my-symbol)) (match x [(? unique? x) ...])
19:08 carleastlund: Further alternately, use cond.  ;)
19:09 jonrafkind: well im matching a whole bunch of stuff (match (list a b c d) ...) and some of them might be my symbol, some aren't
19:09 jonrafkind: but unstable/match looks cool
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19:50 samth_: jonrafkind, where's the build script for your ppa?
19:52 jonrafkind: sec
19:52 jonrafkind: git://git.debian.org/collab-maint/racket.git
19:52 jonrafkind: theres a bunch of branches in there, i think use the 'debian' branch
19:53 jonrafkind: and then there are some small changes you have to make to the racket tree to get it to build
19:53 jonrafkind: first is edit src/configure and change ${libdir} to ${datadir} for the collectspath
19:53 jonrafkind: er, collectsdir
19:54 jonrafkind: and then because my build system is old (the dh program) I had to erase the line about usr/share/doc from debian/racket-common.install
19:54 jonrafkind: i can put this stuff in our meta tree or whatever, but most of the instructions are specific to my setup
19:56 jonrafkind: i gotta run, send me an email if you want more info
19:56 bremner: samth_: or ping me, since I am one of maintainers of that repo
19:57 samth_: jonrafkind, bremner, you should put this in racket/collects/meta
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20:00 bremner: don't you guys already build your own ubuntu packages?
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20:00 joe_shmo: argh is there somewhere i can download some sort of IDE for C with a bundled compilier
20:00 bremner: joe_shmo: err, why ask here?
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20:01 joe_shmo: cuse I don't know anywhere else to ask
20:01 joe_shmo: I like netbeans
20:01 joe_shmo: but
20:01 joe_shmo: when I download their C ide thingy
20:01 lucian: joe_shmo: try #c ?
20:01 joe_shmo: I need to get a compilier seperately
20:01 joe_shmo: hmm
20:01 lucian: joe_shmo: with any IDE you'll need a separate compiler
20:01 joe_shmo: ARGH
20:02 joe_shmo: but there's a java bundle
20:02 joe_shmo: with a java sdk
20:02 joe_shmo: no such thing for C?
20:02 lucian: joe_shmo: just get a compiler. what's so hard about that?
20:02 joe_shmo: it takes like a million and 1 steps to install
20:02 lucian: just like you choose a java sdk, you can choose a c compiler. but really, try #c. this is about racket
20:03 samth_: bremner, no
20:03 joe_shmo: what is #c?
20:03 samth_: we build packages on ubuntu, but their just the shell script/tar archive
20:03 lucian: joe_shmo: the channel, #c on freenore here. try /join #c
20:03 samth_: joe_shmo, the irc channel name c
20:04 joe_shmo: ahhhh, gotcha
20:04 bremner: it's actually ##C
20:04 lucian: bremner: freenode redirects :)
20:04 lucian hates double #
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20:09 bremner: samth_: my priority (in this context) right now is getting up to date packages into debian; after that I don't mind thinking about the racket package building.
20:10 samth_: bremner, certainly
20:11 samth_: i was mostly thinking of jon, since his packages are just something he's doing as part of racket, rather than as part of debian
20:11 bremner: samth_: sure.
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20:25 joe_shmo: hey guys, so I tried joining #c and it's like "Cannot join channel, you must be invited"
20:27 lucian: joe_shmo: you probably need to be registered http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
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20:38 joe_shmo: ;_;
20:39 SinDoc: Any idea how I should best match https://github.com/sindoc/objective-racket/blob/master/src/objective-racket/main.rkt#L20 ?
20:39 rudybot: http://tinyurl.com/65mtsak
20:44 samth_: SinDoc, i don't understand what you mean
20:44 SinDoc: The issue is that
20:44 SinDoc: (match '(public static name 'val)
20:44 SinDoc: ((list public static name val) #t))
20:44 SinDoc: and
20:44 SinDoc: (match '(private a-method (x) (+ x 1))
20:44 SinDoc: ((list public static name val) #t))
20:44 SinDoc: both match and say #t
20:45 samth_: ok
20:45 SinDoc: syntax-case form (static)
20:46 SinDoc: would solve it but in this case, I'm using (match)
20:46 samth_: i don't know what you want
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20:47 joe_shmo: someone said you have to register to join #c?
20:47 joe_shmo: how would one do that?
20:47 bremner: joe_shmo: /query nickserv
20:48 lucian: joe_shmo: joe_shmo: you probably need to be registered http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
20:48 SinDoc: samth_: ,(begin
20:48 SinDoc: (display
20:48 SinDoc: (match '(public static name 'val)
20:48 SinDoc: ((list public static name val) #t)))
20:48 SinDoc: (newline)
20:48 SinDoc: (display
20:48 SinDoc: (match '(private a-method (x) (+ x 1))
20:48 SinDoc: ((list public static name val) #t)))
20:48 SinDoc: (newline))
20:48 samth_: yes, i understand that both of those produce #t
20:48 samth_: but what are you trying to do?
20:49 SinDoc: I was hoping to distinguish those two patterns from one another
20:50 SinDoc: In other words, public, static, etc., these are keywords and fixed
20:50 SinDoc: I don't want them bound
20:51 SinDoc: While using (syntax-case form (public static))
20:52 SinDoc: I was able to express the fact that those keywords are fixed
20:53 SinDoc: and was wondering if the same thing exists for (match ...)
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20:54 SinDoc: regexp would do, but that would imply transforming list with arbitrary values to a string (right?)
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21:40 joe_shmo: how would one write a function to change a number to a certain base?
21:40 joe_shmo: so
21:40 joe_shmo: (base 22 9) should produce 22 in base 9
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