00:02 brahn: I'm using DrRacket on OS X 10.5, and when I want to force an evaluation in the interactions window, I hit alt-enter as specified in the docs.  However, in addition to evaluating the current expression, it also inserts a newline wherever the cursor is located.  Is there a fix or workaround?
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00:37 bitweiler: racket makes me fell like I am installing a OS
00:43 lewis1711: I just used the binary
00:45 bitweiler: lewis1711: if I can't build it I will not use it
00:46 lewis1711: why?
00:55 bitweiler: lewis1711: older hardware, and apps I compile run better on my systems other than that just out of habit
00:56 lewis1711: fair enough
00:56 lewis1711: drracket is a tad sluggish for me
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01:09 lewis1711: lol wtf is that
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01:22 bitweiler: for some reason it hangs at this point: raco setup: running: unstable/scribblings/unstable.scrbl1
01:24 bitweiler thinks that might be a solution
01:27 bitweiler: know if I can figure out how to stop raco from running scribblings-package
01:32 bitweiler: s/know/now/
01:33 bitweiler: oh that's why it's unstable
01:33 bitweiler slaps his head
01:41 Lajla: offby1, have you learnt Finnish yet?
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01:55 Lajla: Does anyone know a scheme implementation where this: http://codepad.org/9ApcUFpR evaluates to #t?
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03:08 lewis1711: (define _key-state  (_enum '(key-pressed = 1 key-released))) ;how can I access key-pressed? :/
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04:04 lewis1711: seriously can't find anything in the docs, and tried the usual suspect in the repl. humm
04:05 lewis1711: wonder if I could stealthily switch to typed racket and create my own type in that rather than using _enum
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05:54 clklein: Lajla: Just a guess, but I doubt that R6 allows #t. eq? has to produce #f for procedures "that would behave differently (return different values or have different side effects) for some arguments." I think the continuation's abandoning of the current context probably counts as a different side-effect.
05:56 Lajla: Hmm, yeah.
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06:07 Lajla: clklein, so, what if f is something coming from a call/cc?
06:15 clklein: Lajla: If the continuations aren't distinguishable in any context, then they're allowed to be eq?.
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06:19 clklein: No implementation can recognize all indistinguishable procedure, but you're never required to equate procedures. The rationale is to allow you to equate the ones you know about, without forcing you to know about any of them.
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06:21 Lajla: clklein, yea, I know.
06:21 Lajla: But I just want to know if there is some implementation which just basically passes the same object in memory as continuation.
06:22 clklein: No idea
06:23 Lajla: Oh well, what is ignorance if not a drive to learn eh.
06:23 Lajla: Or wait, it doesn't usually work that way.
06:23 Lajla: I rephrase, what is realizing once own ignorance if not a drive to learn.
06:24 lewis1711: I gave up on racket monetarily because I couldnt figure something out
06:24 clklein: I don't give this question very high priority on my list of things to learn.
06:25 Lajla: lewis1711, tell me.
06:25 lewis1711: it's up there
06:25 lewis1711: (define _key-state  (_enum '(key-pressed = 1 key-released))) ;how can I access key-pressed? :/
06:25 lewis1711: or any _enum field, really
06:26 Lajla: I can't even read that.
06:26 lewis1711: ok
06:26 lewis1711: (define _foo (_enum '(a b)))
06:26 Lajla: But let me see if I can look it up.
06:26 lewis1711: it's in ffi
06:27 Lajla: ffi to what
06:27 Lajla: ?
06:27 Lajla: C?
06:27 clklein: lewis1711: You should ask on the mailing list if you don't get an answer here.
06:27 lewis1711: Lajla: yeah
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06:27 lewis1711: clklein: good idea
06:29 lewis1711: This group is announcement-only. You cannot post messages because you are not a manager.
06:29 lewis1711: humm, i am doing something wrong:)
06:30 clklein: You want users@racket-lang.org
06:31 jrm-rnl: I am unable to compile PLT Scheme v372 on Debian Squeeze GNU/Linux i386
06:31 lewis1711: oh right I was just using google groups
06:31 jrm-rnl: make output: http://pastebin.com/swirHWVS (error on line 658)
06:32 jrm-rnl: any ideas?
06:34 jrm-rnl: I need this version because it's what the textbook for this particular subject covers.
06:34 jrm-rnl: Racket 5.0.2 compiles just fine
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06:47 clklein: No idea, but out of curiosity, which text book?
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07:00 bitweiler: how do I do a make install with raco skipping the scribblings-package?
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08:25 bitweiler: does the git verses of racket build without the scribblings-package stalling
08:26 bremner: yes, but so does the release, for me.
08:27 bremner: jrm-rnl: are you sure that the examples in the textbook won't work fine in 5.0.2?
08:32 bitweiler: bremner: racket-5.0.2-src-unix.tgz does build for me for some reason with raco hanging
08:32 bitweiler: exactly at this point: raco setup: running: unstable/scribblings/unstable.scrbl1
08:32 bremner: bitweiler: what environment?
08:32 bitweiler: xterm
08:33 bremner: ...
08:33 bitweiler: well not xterm but within screen
08:34 bremner: linux ? freeBSD? OpenSolaris? Minix?
08:34 bitweiler: slackware linux 13.1
08:34 bitweiler: i686
08:35 bitweiler: I tried to install like three times already and it always hangs at that same point
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08:43 bremner: bitweiler: hard to think what should be so different from Debian unstable. That is the last "running" before the "rendering" stage starts.  Did you try setting PLT_SETUP_OPTIONS="--no-docs"
08:44 bitweiler: no sir
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09:31 samth: bitweiler, the commit you referred to earlier is unrelated to any of your problems
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11:16 bitweiler: samth: okay thanks
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11:49 jrm-rnl: clklein: this textbook: http://istpress.ist.utl.pt/lscheme.htm, by the teaching staff at our Institution (https://www.ist.utl.pt/)
11:50 jrm-rnl: I'm a student sysadmin there, and need to install v372 on our workstations for the students.
11:50 jrm-rnl: I spoke with one of the authors and she said the new version coming out next year will be based on Racket.
11:52 jrm-rnl: The subject is called "Foundations of Programming" and Scheme is the first programming language used by the students during their first year.
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11:54 clklein: Might be worth asking about the compilatino error on the mailing list, which gets more traffic than this channel
11:54 shader: how do you do case insensitive regex matching in racket? I see that the mode to use is "i", but it doesn't say how to specify mode
11:54 shader: or at least, I don't see where it says that
11:55 samth: (?<mode>:<regexp>)
11:55 samth: shader, see above
11:55 shader: ok
11:56 shader: I'll try that, thanks
11:56 jrm-rnl: clklein: thanks for the tip; I'll try the user ML
11:57 shader: is there any way to create a stand alone executable from a racket program?
11:57 bremner: shader: raco help
11:58 bremner: if you don't have racket installed, the answer is still yes ;)
11:58 jrm-rnl: bremner: the examples might work, but the students have a required assignment that involves some pre-built GUI visualization module supplied by the teaching staff.
11:58 bremner: which doesn't work?
11:58 jrm-rnl: I assume it wouldn't work...
11:58 jrm-rnl: I can try
11:58 jrm-rnl: but they'll be graded according to functionality under v372
12:00 bremner: well, I guess 372 is only 3 years old? not as ancient as I thought.
12:05 jrm-rnl: Failing to do this will mean students are forced to work under Windows
12:05 jrm-rnl: something I don't wish upon anyone
12:06 samth: indeed
12:06 jrm-rnl: ;)
12:07 samth: jrm-rnl, the error is pretty strange, and you should definitely ask about it on the mailing list
12:07 samth: the people who know the answer aren't the people who hang out on irc
12:07 jrm-rnl: they Ubuntu builds seemed to work, albeit with a mysterious segfault during my short tests
12:08 jrm-rnl: off to the mailing list I go, then
12:08 jrm-rnl: thank you very much for your time :)
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12:45 bremner: jrm-rnl: one thing that might help is too get the debian source package from snapshots.debian.org and rebuild it.
12:46 bremner: it might have some relevant patches
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12:47 jrm-rnl: bremner: I tried that, but it failed the same way
12:47 jrm-rnl: thought about asking the maintainer about it
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12:49 bremner: pretty sure the maintainer would point you at a newer version
12:49 jrm-rnl: I'd have done that already, if it wasn't a three year old version.
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12:50 jrm-rnl: The version in the Squeeze repository right now is 4.2.1
12:50 jrm-rnl: this semester we'll be using v372 and 5.0.2 for two different subjects
12:50 jrm-rnl: :/
12:51 bremner: jrm-rnl: 5.0.2 packages are in NEW; you get get them from git if you want
12:55 jrm-rnl: didn't know about that
12:55 jrm-rnl: link?
12:56 clklein: jrm-rnl: http://git.racket-lang.org/
12:57 samth: clklein, bremner was referring to a different repository
12:57 clklein: heh, oh
12:57 samth: which has his debian packaging of racket
12:57 clklein: makes sense now
13:00 jrm-rnl: bremner: we currently use a hackish way build our packages
13:01 jrm-rnl: handcrafting the binary packages and using dpkg-deb
13:01 jrm-rnl: legacy of a previous sysadmin, which I hope to replace eventually
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13:02 jrm-rnl: I'm still learning how to build a debian source package :/
13:03 bremner: right, I was referring to http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/racket.git;a=summary
13:06 jrm-rnl: thank you :D
13:06 jrm-rnl: I'll have a good look at these
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13:16 pheuter: i want to write a macro than retrieves an arbitrary accessor from an arbitrary struct
13:17 pheuter: however
13:17 pheuter: not arbitrary, i have two structs i want to use
13:18 pheuter: when i use quasi quotes: `(mule-,a c), where "c" is a mule struct and "a" is a field, it leaves a space between mule- and the value of "a" so it doesnt work
13:18 pheuter: how can i get this to work ?
13:20 shader: try something like (string->symbol (string-append "mule-" (symbol->string ,a)))
13:20 shader: not sure if that's the simplest way to do it
13:21 pheuter: yeah, but i thought there would be a way to do it with macros
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14:11 bremner: is 5.1 due this month or next?  no pressure of course ;)
14:14 samth: bremner, this month
14:20 bremner: cool.
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14:48 bitweiler: is there a way to build racket without the scribbles package?
14:51 jonrafkind: you mean you dont want the docs?
14:51 bitweiler: I guess whatever that scribble-package that keeps hanging my build
14:52 bremner: bitweiler: I told you earlier
14:52 bitweiler: I left for work earlier
14:52 bremner: PLT_SETUP_OPTIONS="--no-docs"
14:53 bitweiler: okies
14:53 samth: bitweiler, the 'scribble-package' that was mentioned in that commit is a test, and not built by the build
14:53 jonrafkind: or 'make plain-install'
14:53 bremner: you said you hadn't tried it ?
14:53 jonrafkind: or 'raco setup -D'
14:54 bitweiler: jonrafkind: raco setup was the problem
14:54 jonrafkind: 'scribble-package' is a collect or something?
14:54 samth: jonrafkind, scribble-package is a test, and not relevant
14:54 samth: bitweiler's build is hanging in the unstable doc build
14:55 bitweiler: yes
14:55 jonrafkind: so maybe 'raco setup -D' will work?
14:55 samth: yes
14:55 samth: you should do: make && make plain-install && raco setup -D
14:55 bitweiler: okay
14:56 samth: however, i think that a hang in the build system was fixed earlier today
14:57 bitweiler: then I may need to grab the git tree
14:57 samth: bitweiler, still, try what i suggested to see if it fixes things first
14:57 bitweiler: ok
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15:43 bitweiler: samth: everything install but there is no raco
15:43 samth: did you do 'make plain-install'?
15:43 samth: and what prefix did you give to configure?
15:43 bitweiler: yes
15:45 bitweiler: `/usr/local/bin shows gracket and racket
15:45 samth: but not raco?
15:45 bitweiler: nope
15:45 samth: and this is from current git?
15:45 bitweiler: no
15:45 bitweiler: it's from 5.0.2
15:46 samth: still
15:46 samth: that should really put raco there
15:50 samth: bitweiler, try PLT_SETUP_OPTIONS="--no-docs" make install
15:53 bitweiler: here's the output of make plain-install: http://pastebin.com/Sg0didtt
15:53 bitweiler: okay
15:57 bitweiler: raco setup is bootstrapping from source now, hopefully it doesn't hang this time around ;)
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16:24 bitweiler`: samth: that just made my terminal freeze but no progress
16:25 samth: bitweiler`, at what point?
16:26 bitweiler`: at the beginng of the raco setup bootstrapping source
16:26 bitweiler`: it never got pass that
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16:26 samth: that's really weird
16:27 samth: can you kill it and paste the backtrace?
16:27 bitweiler: 2.6.33.4 #2 Thu May 13 00:27:45 CDT 2010 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux if that makes any
16:27 bitweiler: I'll try it again an do that
16:34 bitweiler: raco setup -l- setup (is how it being called)
16:34 bitweiler: I'll give 30 minutes this time before killing it
16:38 samth: you shouldn't need to do that
16:38 samth: just kill it and tell me what the backtrace is (is this with --no-docs?)
16:39 bitweiler: wait, it's actually making some progress at the moment
16:39 bitweiler: if it hangs again i'll paste the backtrace
16:41 samth: ok
16:42 bitweiler: i running this at the console in screen at the moment
16:42 bremner: bitweiler: is this a machine with very little memory?
16:42 bremner: 128M VPS or something?
16:42 bitweiler: 512MB
16:43 samth: it could be swapping really heavily
16:43 bitweiler: yeah
16:45 bitweiler: that is another reason, I didn't start up the Xorg server
16:49 samth: Xorg shouldn't have an effect
16:49 bremner: bitweiler: it shouldn't be needed for the build
16:50 bitweiler: it's just habit I normally build everything from the console
16:51 bremner: bitweiler: I build racket in a chroot, with no graphics
16:51 bitweiler: sweet
16:52 bremner: I mean the graphics libs are there, but no X server
16:52 bitweiler: bremner: why chroot?
16:53 bremner: bitweiler: to make sure I have the build dependencies correct
16:53 bitweiler: that makes sense
16:53 bremner: but this for debian packages. It might be overkill for personal use.
16:55 bremner: my point was only that no-X should be OK.
16:55 bitweiler: I got to add more memory to this beast, it can take up to 3GB but I can't afford it
16:56 bitweiler: i know, hence I no-X everything I build
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17:22 mithos28: I was moving some code from racket to typed racket and I got an error I had never seen before
17:22 mithos28: procedure application: expected procedure, given: #<Typed Value: #<escape-continuation>>; arguments were: #<boolV>
17:22 mithos28: it seems that typed racket encapsulated the value and then didn't unpack it. Has anyone seen anything like this?
17:22 samth: mithos28, the problem is that you provided something to untyped code under the `Any' type
17:22 samth: which caused TR to package it up in that fashion
17:23 samth: if you provide a more specific contract, then the problem will go away
17:23 samth: alternatively, if you need to use Any, paste your code to pastebin and i'll take a look
17:23 mithos28: ok that makes sense
17:25 mithos28: What I want to do is to put an escape-continuation in a struct and it should have type (Any -> Nothing) because what gets passed in leaves the typed world
17:25 samth: it looks like you gave the whole escape continuation the type `Any'
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17:26 mithos28: yes, i had at the point this error was generated. I was trying to debug it
17:29 mithos28: ok so it looks like if I want to interface untyped and typed code, putting Any type signatures for struct fields is going to cause problems, because when I extract the value it will be wrapped?
17:31 samth: any higher-order value will be wrapped if it's given the type Any
17:31 samth: otherwise, the untyped code could do bad things to it (call it with the wrong sort of arguments, for example)
17:32 mithos28: Is it possible in typed racket to define a struct that acts like an untyped box?
17:33 samth: what do you mean by "an untyped box"?
17:34 mithos28: I want to make a struct (define-struct: my-box ((field : Any))) such that untyped code can wrap a value in this, pass it around and then extract the same value with my-box-field
17:35 samth: let me see if i understand
17:35 samth: the untyped code is going to wrap an untyped value in `my-box'
17:35 samth: and then hand it to the typed code
17:36 samth: which will then hand that box to some other untyped code
17:36 samth: which will then extract the value
17:36 samth: and use that value (the value being the originally untyped value)
17:36 mithos28: yep
17:37 samth: ok, so that would be safe, but we haven't implemented support for that because it would require recording every value that passes through a typed/untyped boundary
17:37 samth: so as to avoid boxing it in the future
17:38 samth: we aren't sure if that would cause serious performance problems
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17:39 mithos28: so If I moved more of my code to typed-racket, so as to remove the Any signatures I shouldn't have this problem?
17:41 mithos28: would using opaque types help any?
17:41 samth: mithos28, yes, and no, respectively
17:42 mithos28: Ok I'll try that. Thanks for the quick help.
17:45 bremner: hmm. Lame: raco setup: only one instance of one option from (-U --no-user) is allowed
17:48 samth: bremner, they mean the same thing
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17:58 bremner: samth: yes. the real problem is that I ran "make PLT_SETUP_OPTIONS=--no-user", so I set --no-user twice. It's no biggy to fix, but it's also not a useful error check IMHO.
17:58 samth: you're probably right, bremner
18:00 mithos28: samth, thanks again that fixed it.
18:01 samth: mithos28, happy to help
18:01 samth: i'm always happy when people are using typed racket
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18:02 mithos28: I am mostly using it for struct definitions. My main gripe is the compile speed.
18:02 samth: mithos28, i agree -- it's frustrating
18:03 mithos28: why is it so slow, is it just all the macro expansion?
18:03 samth: macro expansion + the type checker does a lot of work
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18:56 bitweiler: now it's back to the point where it stall before, hopefully it will get pass this point ;)
18:56 rapacity: death to the demoness allegra geller!
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19:17 bremner: bitweiler: what did you change?
19:18 bitweiler: backtrace: http://pastebin.com/AekZjYvz
19:19 samth: so it just got to there and hung?
19:20 bitweiler: bremner: PLT_SETUP="--no-docs" like you said
19:20 bremner: ah OK.
19:20 samth: clearly that had no effect, since it's hanging in the doc build
19:20 bremner: but it is actually PLT_SETUP_OPTIONS, isn't it?
19:20 bitweiler: thanks goodness for script ;)
19:20 bremner: see the raco docs on racket-lang.org
19:20 samth: yeah, it is
19:21 samth: file:///home/samth/sw/plt/doc/raco/running.html?q=PLTSETUP#%28idx._%28gentag._10._%28lib._scribblings/raco/raco..scrbl%29%29%29
19:21 bitweiler slaps head onto desk
19:21 samth: sorry, that link won't work for you
19:21 samth: http://pre.plt-scheme.org/docs/html/raco/running.html
19:24 samth: bitweiler, try just running PLT_SETUP_OPTIONS='--no-docs' make install without redoing everything else
19:31 bitweiler: samth: that's what I just did
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19:38 bitweiler: seems like it would skip over the already installed stuff and go back to where it left off
19:38 samth: it does
19:39 bitweiler: but raco setup just builds the docs right
19:39 samth: no, raco setup compiles all of the standard library
19:39 samth: and then builds the docs
19:39 bitweiler: oh
19:40 samth: also, you should now have a 'raco' binary
19:40 samth: see line 1283 of your pastebin
19:40 bitweiler: yep, i have raco binary
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20:54 empt: I'm very new to Racket. Would it be easy to compile to C code? (since I have to do a lot of numeric works)
20:55 empt: I know there's Gambit and Chicken however I love the tutorials and environment of Racket
20:56 bremner: empt: what do you want, to call external C libs, to make standalone executables, or something else.
20:57 empt: I want to compile lisp into c dll or exe
20:57 bremner: empt: exe is no problem. Not sure about dll
20:58 empt: bremner: thank you! that will be ok
20:58 bremner: empt: look at the docs for "raco" on www.racket-lang.org
20:59 lewis1711: bremner: huh? racket can't compile down to C
20:59 bremner: lewis1711: I did not say it could. I said it could make standalone executables
21:00 lewis1711: seems like yer man empt asked if it could compile to C
21:00 empt: lewis1711:ok, then is there a way, say develop in Racket and then compile to C using Gambit or Chicken?
21:00 bremner: if you stick to R5RS
21:00 lewis1711: not really, becase gambits C stuff isn't r5rs
21:01 bremner: oh suck.
21:01 lewis1711: empt: you can make your C stuff into a library, it's pretty painless then
21:01 lewis1711: (though i still haven't figured out how to access the fields of enums, must mail about htat
21:01 lewis1711: *that
21:02 empt: lewis1711: so one has better to develop directly in Gambit or Chicken?
21:03 lewis1711: humm? couldn't quite understand that. "so one is better off developing directly in Gambit or Chicken?" you mean?
21:04 empt: lewis1711: I mean if one want C code in the end
21:04 lewis1711: if you can compile your C stuff into a .so library (or .dll or whatever) than racket can call that pretty painlessly
21:04 bremner: I think it is a mistake to assume that scheme compiled to C is automatically faster. I understand there are other reasons to want to do so.
21:05 lewis1711: ah, if your main concern is to compile down to C than racket cannot do that though, gambit would be your best bet
21:05 lewis1711: but if you want to work with C racket can do it
21:05 empt: thx, I see
21:05 lewis1711: (I used gambit for a bit. may go back to it when I'm a better programmer, but it was too much effort trying to get a module system working)
21:06 lewis1711: bremner: humm, I'd tend to think that C as an intermediate language is slower if anything. haven't looked at any bench-marks though. i thought the main point of it was seamless C interoperability
21:07 bremner: lewis1711: that's why I asked empt what he was trying to acheive by compiling to C
21:07 empt: I might do things mainly in Racket, and turn to Gambit something when really needed
21:07 bremner: achieve even
21:08 empt: thanks a lot.
21:09 lewis1711: yeah empt what do you need?
21:10 empt: I have to do fast calculating
21:11 bremner: empt: calling existing libraries?
21:12 empt: bremner: no, I'm implementing them
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21:13 empt: I love the Racket environment
21:13 lewis1711: empt: racket can call C libraries
21:13 lewis1711: so if you are writing your own libraries
21:13 lewis1711: should be no problem
21:14 empt: lewis1711: yeah, I see. thx.
21:15 empt: I'll use Racket then :)
21:15 empt: :-D Thanks
21:19 lewis1711: no worries. just recently went through the same thing:P gambit is a bit nicer for C stuff, but racket has more features that I want
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23:09 bitweiler: guess I see if a pre-release will build more smoothly
23:10 bitweiler: should see that is
23:14 bitweiler: 7 hours and raco setup still haven't finish building
23:16 carleastlund__: bitweiler, Are there build errors occurring while it's running?
23:16 carleastlund__: Wow, double-underscore?  I'm really REALLY not me, now.
23:17 offby1 sets a beer down on carleastlund__'s tailgate
23:17 bitweiler: carleastlund__: no build errors, though a few warnings
23:18 carleastlund__: What kind of warnings?
23:18 offby1: "Nice compiler you've got there.  Be a shame if something were to ... happen to it".
23:18 offby1: Those kinds of warnings?
23:18 carleastlund__: hah!
23:20 bitweiler: WARNING: collected information for key multiple times
23:20 bitweiler: that's it
23:20 carleastlund__: Okay, hmm.  That one shouldn't be causing huge problems.  It can take ridiculously long if any of the modules in the collections fails to build, though.
23:21 carleastlund__: Are you running this on some tiny netbook where you'd expect it to take forever?  Or is this a regular desktop and it should long since have finished?
23:21 bitweiler: hey scribblings always hangs
23:21 bitweiler: s/hey/yeah/
23:22 carleastlund__: It normally takes a while but I've only seen it go for hours when one of the core collections failed to compile (which results in huge amounts of repeated compilation).
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23:27 bitweiler: yeah I been repeat compiling since 7am
23:28 carleastlund__: No, I mean within one run of raco setup it compiles the same broken modules over and over.
23:28 bitweiler nods
23:29 bitweiler: you think a pre-release may work better
23:29 carleastlund__: It really should.  Are you sure there were no errors before the Scribble part?
23:30 bitweiler: positive
23:30 bitweiler: i make install with script so I got a backlog of everything
23:31 bitweiler: s/with/within/
23:32 carleastlund__: How long does a "make install" usually take on that machine?
23:35 bitweiler: 20 minutes
23:35 bitweiler: sometimes not that long
23:36 carleastlund__: Yeah, I'd try another version.  Something must be very, very wrong.
23:40 lewis1711: right question posted to the mailing list. hopefully i can sort this C business out
23:50 bitweiler: plt-5.0.99.6-src-unix.tgz is racket right
23:52 carleastlund__: Yes.