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09:33 neilv: for planet, in racket 5.0.2, do we need to embed the documentation html files in the planet package anymore?
09:33 neilv: or if i just include the .scrbl file and mention it in "scribblings" in info.rkt, is that all i have to do?
09:38 neilv: nevermind. i see "raco planet" builds the docs
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10:00 yohni: Is there a way to use common lisp with Dr. Racket?
10:12 valium97582: yohni: I doubt it. At least for now. Aren't you happy with Emacs + SLIME?
10:13 yohni: I could live without emacs ehhe
10:17 valium97582: great, I am not happy with it either. I like vim better.
10:19 yohni: I just need a very simple environment with a definitions window and an REPL
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10:47 rapacity: drracket crashed while I was coding
10:47 rapacity: I got
10:47 rapacity: zsh: illegal hardware instruction  drracket
10:47 rapacity: o_O
10:51 Nanakhiel: Is drrackted written in racket by the way?
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10:53 _p4bl0: Nanakhiel: yep
10:54 Nanakhiel: Kewl.
10:54 Nanakhiel: wonder if Dr. Octopus is written in Octopus.
10:54 (nick) Nanakhiel -> Lajla
10:55 _p4bl0: Nanakhiel: don't know for windows but if you use a real OS the drracket executable is a shell script which calls gracket with the good arguments (gracket's main file is in your "collects" at gracket/gracket.rkt)
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10:56 neilv: rapacity: that's bizarre
10:57 rapacity: it happened randomly
10:57 rapacity: I don't know how to reproduce it
10:57 neilv: rapacity: this is on linux?
10:57 rapacity: yeah
10:57 neilv: 32-bit x86?
10:57 _p4bl0: Lajla: Dr. Octopus has been defeated by spiderman anyway, why care? :-p
10:57 rapacity: yeah
10:59 neilv: rapacity: did it leave a core dump?
10:59 Lajla: _p4bl0, he has again?
10:59 Lajla: Wow
10:59 Lajla: Guy keeps losing.
10:59 _p4bl0: totally
10:59 Lajla: My favourite spider man villain was the Green goblin anyway.
10:59 Lajla: Though I like how in the second film they made ock more sympathetic.
10:59 rapacity: it just printed that line out
10:59 Lajla: Just a confused guy you know.
10:59 Lajla: Shame the film totallly sucked.
11:00 Lajla: Superhero comics are worse enough, films are just a lame excuse for getting as much bayhem as possible in 120 minutes
11:00 rapacity: I'm using version 5.0.99.5, I'll update and report if it happens on a newer build
11:00 neilv: you might post to the email list
11:01 neilv: there are surely still a few glitches that need to be worked out, with all the gui stuff being revamped to use the ffi
11:01 neilv: and new toolkits on linux
11:06 neilv: (require (planet neil/scribble-emacs/install-in-my-emacs))
11:07 neilv: an arguably legitimate use for the fact that require-ing a planet package can cause arbitrary code to be executed
11:10 _p4bl0: neilv: hmmm I wouldn't like somebody else code to modify my .emacs.d/init.el. What does the install do ?
11:13 (quit) yohni: Quit: Page closed
11:13 neilv: it tries to find your emacs init file and add/update a block like this in it: http://i.imgur.com/64Teb.png
11:14 _p4bl0: neilv: an image to share code? rly? ^^
11:15 neilv: it looks prettier in my colors
11:16 _p4bl0: neilv: :-D
11:16 neilv: if you installed it the normal emacs way, you'd just say "(require 'scribble)" or have an "autoload" and an "auto-mode-alist" setting
11:18 _p4bl0: neilv: my problem is not the way, it's that it change my init.el file. I d'ont like that (maybe I'm the only one I do'nt know). I'd like intsall script like this to use the custom-file instead of "messing" with my init.el
11:18 neilv: is there a separate custom file now?
11:19 neilv: gotta run. bbl
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14:18 bremner: is there a rackety way to compare strings ignoring whitespace?
14:24 _p4bl0: bremner: smells like regexpy to me, not rackety :-/
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14:40 offby1`: bremner: you could split each stirng on whitespace, then compare the resulting lists.
14:40 offby1`: string
14:40 _p4bl0: bremner: not pretty but http://pastie.org/1443336 should do the work. (I used [ \t\n\r] instead of \s because the latter didn't seems to work in my REPL)
14:41 _p4bl0: offby1`: oh yeah this is prettier
14:41 _p4bl0: offby1`: I don't know about efficiency however
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14:41 epochwolf|2: if it's using the perl regex library underneath, it should be really fast.
14:42 offby1`: I wouldn't worry about speed
14:43 bremner: yeah, it's just a toy program anyway
14:43 bremner: now that I think about it, I can't ignore whitespace anyway. Oh well, my test cases will just be fragile.
14:44 _p4bl0: ^^
14:44 offby1`: :-(
14:45 bremner: it's ok, it's just a slide for class. I'm stringifying sexp represented json.
14:46 bremner: to test I should really parse the output. But that is too much work.
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14:46 _p4bl0: you mean that you're performing comparison on json that have been sexped then stringified? That's ideologically non-optimal ;-p
14:47 bremner: that's me, in a nutshell.
14:47 bremner: the json was actually written as sexps, if that helps.
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14:48 Samy: I need  something like  "not-equal?"
14:48 Samy: racket have something like  not-equal?
14:49 _p4bl0: Samy: (not (equal? x)) ?
14:49 Samy: thx
14:50 offby1`: this reminds me of rudybot's parsing
14:51 _p4bl0: offby1`: hu?
14:54 _p4bl0: offby1`: doesn't rudybot just read the string as sexp ?
14:56 offby1`: _p4bl0: unfortunately, it splits on whitespace _first_, and then glues the pieces back together.  Thus squishing sequences of two-or-more spaces into one space.  (Or at least, it did this until recently; I think Eli fixed it)
14:58 _p4bl0: offby1`: hmmm. that is/was dirty, in scheme a '(' ou ')' is a separator as much as a space so it has to be parsed anyway...
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15:00 _p4bl0: offby1`: plus it's a strange idea to explicitely split on whitespace... Is rudybot written in racket? I hope so, and then I don't see the added-value of this splitting
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15:05 offby1`: yes, it's written in racket
15:05 offby1`: rudybot: source
15:05 rudybot: offby1`: git clone git://github.com/offby1/rudybot.git
15:05 _p4bl0: thanks :-)
15:05 offby1`: the "added-value" of the splitting is: I needed to switch on the first "word", and that seemed easiest at the time.
15:05 (nick) offby1` -> offby1
15:05 _p4bl0: offby1: ok
15:05 _p4bl0: offby1: I didn't knew rudybot did multiple things
15:05 offby1: rudybot: help
15:05 rudybot: *offby1: help [<what>], version, quote, source, seen <nick>, uptime, t8 <from> <to> <text> ..., init [<lang>], eval <expr> ..., give <to> <expr> ..., apropos <str> ..., desc <id>, doc <id>, later "tell" <nick> <something> ..., join <channel>, part <channel>, tell <who> <stuff> ..., emote <stuff> ..., for <who> <stuff> ..., ghost <victim>, nick <new-nick>, system <command> ..., top-eval <expr> ...
15:06 _p4bl0: offby1: i thought it "just" evald racket
15:06 offby1: that's pretty much the only interesting or useful feature
15:06 rudybot: I also can act as a ventriloquist's dummy
15:07 _p4bl0: ^^
15:07 offby1: vv
15:10 offby1: rudybot: do you know any other tricks?
15:10 rudybot: *offby1: Yeah...I don't get the whole Java environment. Fancy IDE tricks seems to be a failure of the language.
15:10 offby1: rudybot: oh, so you're a sort of psychoanalyst ?
15:10 rudybot: *offby1: that's sort of surprising
15:11 _p4bl0: :-D. offby1: it would be a good idea to make a separate generic IRC lib and upload it on the PLaneT
15:13 mooglenorph: Hi. I've googled a bit, but couldn't find an easy answer: how do I get racket to play nicely with emacs? As in, a mode where I can have a REPL in a buffer and send files/expressions to it?
15:13 offby1: if by "a good idea", you mean "the benefit would be > 0", I agree.  But if you mean "the benefit would exceed the cost", I dunno.
15:13 _p4bl0: mooglenorph: geiser
15:13 offby1: mooglenorph: I just use plain old scheme-mode
15:13 _p4bl0: mooglenorph: http://gitorious.org/geiser
15:14 offby1: mooglenorph: occasionally I do (enter! (file "/home/offby1/whatever.rkt")) in the racket REPL
15:14 _p4bl0: offby1: oh yea. That's true
15:14 offby1: _p4bl0: anyway rudybot's source is available to all
15:14 _p4bl0: offby1: yup ;-)
15:15 offby1: library design is purported to be very, very difficult.  I've been a "professional programmer" (ha) for almost 25 years, and I've never done it
15:15 mooglenorph: Looks swanky, thanks :-). I'll look at scheme-mode and geiser.
15:15 offby1: scheme-mode is certainly not swanky; I didn't think geiser was either.
15:15 offby1: I'm referring to the actual code called "Swank"; you may not have realized that that's relevant
15:16 mooglenorph: The thing SLIME is based on?
15:16 offby1: ya
15:17 mooglenorph: geiser seems to have most of the features I actually use from that.
15:17 mooglenorph: from a quick scan of the readme
15:18 mooglenorph: I'm not a poweruser of slime/swank.
15:18 mooglenorph: So, I suppose, "swanky enough for me" would be more accurate.
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15:27 offby1: never tried geiser; git-cloning it now
15:31 offby1: gosh, geiser appears to be alive, unlike most open-source projects :)
15:31 offby1 wonders why he doesn't know this jao fellow
15:31 offby1: rudybot: seen jao
15:31 rudybot: *offby1: jao was seen joining in/on #racket three days ago, and then jao was seen joining in/on #scheme three days ago
15:31 offby1: kinda quiet apparently
15:34 jao: silence is golden :)
15:38 offby1: jao: golly, this here geiser is _slick_.
15:38 offby1: Why didn't anyone tell me about it?!
15:38 offby1: it has now done The Right Thing three or four times in a row
15:38 offby1: unheard-of
15:39 offby1: documentation exists, and is actually comprehensible, too.
15:39 offby1: jao: are you sure you're not actually the Second Coming?
15:41 offby1: jao: OK, a question and/or a micro-nit: I have discovered, to my delight, that when I type (enter! (file "/whatever")) at the racket repl, geiser updates its prompt to indicate that it knows I've switched modules.
15:41 offby1: And then I can type C-c C-m RET to get back to the "top-level".
15:42 offby1: However, typing C-c C-m again doesn't seem to offer me any way to switch back to my file module; presumably I have to again type "enter!" at the repl.
15:42 offby1: Is that by design, or am I misunderstanding something?
15:42 offby1: omg ... it does symbol completion ... <3 <3
15:49 jao: offby1: in geiser, it's better if you use 'enter', without the bang
15:50 jao: and, when you type C-c C-m, yes, you can tab to complete the module name
15:51 jao: offby1: that said, if your file is *not* in the collections path, you don't have an easy way to switch to it using the prompt
15:52 jao: but you can use a trick. first, let racket know about your module by loading it: C-c C-k in the file buffer
15:52 jao: then, from the file buffer, you can do C-u C-c C-z
15:52 jao: and you'll be teleported to the repl inside the file's module
15:53 jao: offby1: i'm gonna make the default for C-c C-m the previously entered module. thanks for the idea.
15:54 bremner: jao: hi!  in a fit of enthusiasm I uploaded geiser 0.1 to debian unstable. Still waiting for the huge queue of new packages.
15:54 jao: bremner: wow, thanks!
16:25 Samy: i have a list with 81 elements, now i wanna pick  12 different  elemets, how i can easy so it ?
16:25 Samy: atm. i have list-rew  lst  random   but sometimes  random give me the same element twice
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17:25 PLT_Notify: racket: master Robby Findler * 1425969 (1 files in 1 dirs): seems safe to use the star under windows now for unsaved files
17:25 PLT_Notify: racket: master Robby Findler * ad47d34 (1 files in 1 dirs): move the text class creation calls back to the end of the file
17:25 PLT_Notify: racket: master Robby Findler * d2cb96b (6 files in 3 dirs): setup hooks so that the behavior of the home / c:a keybinings delegates to a method to find where to go ...
17:25 PLT_Notify: racket: master commits 49952e5...d2cb96b - http://bit.ly/h4MCtz
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18:08 bitweiler: is racket r5rs by default
18:09 bremner: no, racket is racket by default ;)
18:09 bremner: but it's easy to select r5rs if that is what you want.
18:10 bitweiler: so racket is not even scheme, huh?
18:11 bremner: well. "not even" is an odd choice of words in this context.
18:12 bitweiler: bremner: i reading dialects docs and it's all confusing
18:13 bremner: racket the intepreter/compiler includes several choices of dialect. Two of those are called r5rs and racket.
18:14 bremner: but the racket developers prefer the term "language" to dialect.
18:14 bitweiler: oh
18:14 bremner: as far as I understand it.
18:15 bremner: bitweiler: it's abit like asking "is gcc c89 by default"
18:16 bremner: the answer there is no too ;)
18:16 jao: "so gcc is not even C" ;-)
18:16 bremner: exactly so.
18:16 bitweiler: oh, it just seem confusing all the info that talk about on racket site, for a minute i thought racket was some new lang
18:16 bremner: well, it is.
18:16 bitweiler: ;)
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18:17 offby1: jao: "enter" without the bang, eh?  Didn't even know that existed.  Thanks.
18:18 jao: offby1: ,enter , actually
18:18 jao: offby1: it doesn't exist in vanilla racket... comes with geiser
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18:25 offby1: ah
18:25 offby1: that makes more sense anyway
18:25 offby1: more slime-like
18:25 jao nods
18:26 bitweiler: does racket require another scheme to build
18:26 rien: no
18:27 bitweiler: I going to try it out :)
18:29 offby1: just the usual C compiler
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18:33 Lajla: offby1, watch this.
18:34 Lajla: rudybot: (eq? (compose) values)
18:34 Lajla: Heh
18:34 rudybot: Lajla: error: with-limit: out of time
18:34 Lajla: Really now/.
18:34 Lajla: rudybot: (compose)
18:34 Lajla: rudybot: (+ 1 2)
18:34 rudybot: Lajla: error: with-limit: out of time
18:35 Lajla: offby1, your bot has died.
18:35 rudybot: Lajla: error: with-limit: out of time
18:35 Lajla: rudybot, (1 + 2)
18:35 rudybot: Lajla: error: with-limit: out of time
18:35 Lajla: not even an error ;_;
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18:45 offby1: if he's saying "out of time", he's not dead.
18:45 offby1: Anyway I was doing a bunch of work on that box, forcing it to page; it should be OK now
18:45 offby1: rudybot: uptime
18:45 rudybot: *offby1: I've been up for three weeks; this tcp/ip connection has been up for three weeks
18:45 offby1: see, he's fine
18:45 offby1: it's ALL in your HEAD
18:46 offby1: rudybot: (eq? (compose) values)
18:46 rudybot: *offby1: error: with-limit: out of time
18:46 offby1: dunno why it takes so long, though
18:46 offby1: rudybot: (+ 1 2)
18:46 rudybot: *offby1: your scheme sandbox is ready
18:46 rudybot: *offby1: ; Value: 3
18:47 offby1: rudybot: give Lajla "a cold Pabst"
18:47 rudybot: Lajla: offby1 has given you a value, say "rudybot: eval (GRAB)" to get it (case sensitive)
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20:56 _p4bl0: jao: I think there's a mistake in the "Autodoc and friends" in geiser_3.html. At the end of the 2nd paragraph the key binding to silent autodoc should be C-c C-d C-a but C-c C-a is written.
20:57 jao: _p4bl0: both should work
20:57 _p4bl0: jao: C-c C-a doesn't for me
20:58 jao: _p4bl0: ah, that's in the REPL chapter?
20:58 _p4bl0: jao: yup
20:58 jao: _p4bl0: you're right. thanks!
20:59 _p4bl0: jao: you're more than welcome, thanks to you for giving us geiser awesomeness
20:59 offby1: awe some ness
21:00 offby1: distant cousin of Elliot Ness, I assume
21:00 jao: thank you for helping making it better!
21:10 bremner: jao: are you running racket 5.0.2 or something later?  I sometimes get geiser pretty confused with "spurious output".
21:12 jao: bremner: i'm running 5.0.2, but git geiser
21:12 jao: bremner: are you seeing *spurious* buffers with that?
21:13 bremner: I see *spurious* buffers with geiser 0.1
21:13 jao: and using quack, perchance?
21:13 bremner: but I can check agaist current git. No quack
21:13 jao: if that's not a trouble for you, please do check current git. no *spurious* buffers should pop-up with that
21:14 bremner: ok, I will do next time I hit it.
21:14 jao: (errors may still occur, but the reporting should be less annoying)
21:15 jao: bremner: if you suspect something's misbehaving, you can get verbose geiser traces with C-u M-x geiser-show-logs
21:15 jao: in case you're in the mood of sending bug reports my way :)
21:16 bremner: for sure. Just learning a bunch of things at once.
21:17 jao: thanks. no hurries!
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21:59 offby1 ponders the distinction between "spurious" and "*spurious*"
22:02 jonrafkind: wheres that
22:10 aw_: the distinction is quite spurious
22:30 jao: offby1: an emacs user should know
22:49 bitweiler: how does a in-place installation of racket my it harder to update sources?
22:52 bitweiler: what's the difference with --enable-shared and not shared?
22:53 offby1: C-x k *spur RET
22:53 offby1: bitweiler: I don't think an in-place installation makes it hard to update sources.
22:53 offby1: I do it all the time.
22:54 offby1: dunno about --enable-shared.  It sounds vaguely like a "libtool" option; you might find it explained in libtool's docs
22:54 bitweiler: offby1: okay just wanted to be sure
22:55 bitweiler: figured I'll give the racket a spin
22:55 bitweiler: hehe,...
22:56 offby1: you don't gotta build it from source just to give it a spin
22:56 bitweiler: offby1: i build everything from source, if I can't build I don't run it ;)
22:57 bitweiler: it just me though
22:58 offby1: well, not _just_ you.
22:58 offby1: I too build from source.
22:58 offby1: But some people don't need the hassle, so I thought I'd mention it
22:58 bitweiler: good looking out
22:59 bitweiler: so the in-place installation installs into /racket/src/ directory?
22:59 offby1: doesn't sound right
23:00 offby1: my source is in /usr/local/src/racket -- i.e., the .git repo is in that directory.
23:00 bitweiler: where does the in-place install places the files by default
23:00 offby1: The installation wound up in /usr/local/src/racket/bin etc
23:00 offby1: it's pretty slick.
23:00 bitweiler: oh
23:02 bitweiler: seems like plt is the only open source scheme that get attention these days
23:03 bitweiler: it just all the other stuff that comes with it has always keep me from trying it out
23:03 offby1: guile has some life to it.
23:04 bitweiler: oh, I know
23:05 bitweiler: but i wanted to see what racket was all about ;)
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23:29 offby1: it's some sort of a trick
23:29 offby1: a scheme, if you will
23:29 offby1: or a gambit
23:29 bitweiler: heh
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