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10:52 clklein: What's the purpose of the 'disappeared-uses syntax property?
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12:02 tewk: How does "racket -m" work
12:03 tewk: racket -m callmain.rkt
12:03 tewk: main: not defined or required into the top-level environment
12:04 tewk: #lang racket
12:04 tewk: (provide main)
12:04 tewk: (define (main args) (printf "Hello World~n"))
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12:39 jay-mccarthy: tewk: i've never figured it out
12:45 jonrafkind: bah, gnu gold failed to link racket. have to start over with plain ld
12:46 jay-mccarthy: what's that?
12:48 jonrafkind: gnu gold? a new linker, rewritten from scratch
12:48 jonrafkind: it mostly works, today wsa the first time it failed for me
12:48 jonrafkind: its about 2.5x faster than ld
12:55 jonrafkind: is anyone else getting this?
12:55 jonrafkind: BFD: BFD (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.19.1 internal error, aborting at ../../bfd/elf.c line 4657 in assign_file_positions_for_non_load_sections
13:00 jonrafkind: my bad.. nevermind
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13:44 jonrafkind: eli, is there some way to just render the doc/index.html page quickly without rednering all the manuals?
13:50 clklein: I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who has trouble with -m
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13:50 clklein: I've gotten it to work a few times, but it's always a struggle
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14:05 eli: tewk: you need to require the file first: racket -tm x blah
14:05 eli: clklein, jay-mccarthy: ^
14:05 eli: jonrafkind: Rebuild the scribblings/main collection.
14:06 clklein: eli: Thanks!
14:06 eli: jonrafkind: Also, those README files should not have been added.
14:06 jonrafkind: why not
14:06 eli: They should be fields in the info files instead.
14:06 jonrafkind: ok I agree
14:07 eli: I don't think that yet another convention for files is a good idea, when there is one that can do the same.
14:11 jonrafkind: ok
14:11 jonrafkind: ill move it over
14:26 sstrickl: tewk: I'm seeing an issue with multiple in-place builds that I'd like to throw your way to see if it's a bug in the new system or not
14:27 tewk: sstrickl: ok
14:27 tewk: you mean the new parallel build system right?
14:27 sstrickl: yes
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15:20 jonrafkind: clklein, do you have a link of papers you were writing redex models for?
15:21 clklein: jonrafkind: I'll send it to you
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16:05 teraquendya: hey, i just compiled racket from source. Where can i find the DrRacket and the planet executables?
16:05 jonrafkind: did you do make install?
16:05 jonrafkind: they should be in the plt/bin directory
16:06 teraquendya: i went into src, made a build, went in there, and then did a make LISP=clisp
16:07 teraquendya: build has no bin directory
16:07 jonrafkind: whats the LISP=clisp for?
16:07 jonrafkind: not build, the top level directory
16:07 jonrafkind: go down a few directories to bin/
16:07 jonrafkind: also you need a make install
16:08 teraquendya: I followed the instructions in src/README
16:09 jonrafkind: it doesnt mention LISP anywhere
16:09 teraquendya: nevermind, that was the other build...
16:10 teraquendya: just a cd build;make
16:11 teraquendya: there is no bin directory...
16:11 jonrafkind: where did you look
16:11 teraquendya: in the build folder
16:11 jonrafkind: <jonrafkind> not build, the top level directory
16:11 jonrafkind: <jonrafkind> go down a few directories to bin/
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16:12 teraquendya: there is nothing there either: collects, docs, man, readme, src
16:14 jonrafkind: did you do a make install?
16:14 jonrafkind: it will do an in-place install, it wont install to /usr/local orw hatever
16:18 teraquendya: i tried, but it told me not found
16:18 teraquendya: let me try again
16:43 samth: clklein, you were going to give me work to do, right?
16:44 clklein: samth: Oh, yes, I'll send you instructions.
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16:45 p896gbm: hey guys, the docs are telling me to (require racket/vector), i have the old plt-scheme before it was called racket, what should i (require) instead?
16:48 tewk: p896gbm: scheme/vector
16:52 teraquendya: jonrafkind: its working now, thanks for th help
16:52 jonrafkind: word up
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16:55 p896gbm: tewk: didn't work, seems there's no vector package :[
16:55 p896gbm: no matter, i just did vector->list instead, i don't really care about performance
16:55 p896gbm: i just needed vector-map
16:55 p896gbm: speaking of which, why doesn't the normal map work on vectors?
16:56 jonrafkind: probably perfromance reasons, 99% of use cases use lists, so the extra check to see if its a list or vector would slow it down
16:59 p896gbm: really?
16:59 p896gbm: that sucks
16:59 jonrafkind: you can always just write your own
16:59 jonrafkind: and dispatch to map or vector-map
16:59 p896gbm: nah that can't possibly be true, it has to check if it's not a list anyway
16:59 p896gbm: to raise an error
16:59 jonrafkind: hm
16:59 p896gbm: so it can't be slower, it's already checking
17:00 jonrafkind: in principle I agree with you, I think map should work over multiple kinds of data
17:00 p896gbm: i've seen some examples how how to do that to add new cases to existing built-ins
17:00 jonrafkind: i dunno, you can ask on the list I guess
17:00 p896gbm: you rebind map to check if it's a vector and call vector-map, if not call old map. i know what you mean
17:01 p896gbm: sorry, i'm quite new with scheme/lisp. just finished writing a 3d model converter for my game. seems to work
17:01 p896gbm: i've found scheme so far to have a very un-guessable api. i am constantly in the racket docs trying to find what function to call to do what i want
17:02 jonrafkind: well yea.. as a consolation I felt the same way about java
17:02 p896gbm: works well though
17:02 p896gbm: haha ya it's true
17:08 stamourv: p896gbm: if you rebind map in the way you described, it will be slower than map in the list case
17:08 p896gbm: stamourv: yeah, i'm not considering doing that
17:08 p896gbm: i just read examples of other people doing it to add functionality to the built-in functions
17:10 p896gbm: this might be heresy in here but this sounds like an argument for static types ;)
17:10 jonrafkind: thats what typed/racket is for
17:10 p896gbm: the type has to be fixed anyway, since i've got to choose whether i want to map, hash-map, vector-map, etc
17:11 p896gbm: jonrafkind: i'll definitely read more about that
17:11 p896gbm: for now i'm going back to c, since i've got this model loader working, i've got to get it rendering now
17:11 p896gbm: thanks guys
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22:13 jonrafkind: hey jay-mccarthy did you not like my reason for why 0-ary yield won't work?
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